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		<title>By: Aaron Bell &#187; Archive &#187; Typographic Resources</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-350895</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Bell &#187; Archive &#187; Typographic Resources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CSS and Vista&#8217;s New Fonts (discussion of Vista&#8217;s comparatively smaller fonts) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Simon SC</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-215849</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good, relevant post. Is CSS3 in its final specification? Maybe there&#039;s still time to implement it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good, relevant post. Is CSS3 in its final specification? Maybe there&#8217;s still time to implement it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: North by Northwest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; the little pillow</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-93181</link>
		<dc:creator>North by Northwest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; the little pillow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so you or your web developer have to increase the font size to compensate. This problem has been noted by the NeoSmart Files where they have suggested a way for web developers to work around the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so you or your web developer have to increase the font size to compensate. This problem has been noted by the NeoSmart Files where they have suggested a way for web developers to work around the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Do. - website fonts - new push from MS</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-17491</link>
		<dc:creator>Do. - website fonts - new push from MS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#160;  1 to 1 of 1  kinsella Says...4 minutes ago Microsoft has rolled out a raft of 6 new fonts that are likely to start permeating web pages in the near future. They&#039;re nice fonts too - more modern and elegant than the dated-looking strokes of Verdana, Tahoma and Trebuchet. There&#039;s 3 serifs, a monospace and 2 sans and all start with a &#039;C&#039; - Calibri, Constantia, Candara, Corbel, Cambria and Consolas (monospace).More on them in the link below as well as a direct download link. As others have said - if you use CSS to spec them then you can start using them now by specifiying a fallback alternative family as second, third, twentieth choice for users that don&#039;t have them yet (it&#039;s likely these will start shipping for Mac with next gen versions of Office).I have them on my Mac OSX system already and am beginning to find the odd sitehere and there that is already using them.Font download here:http://www.techtoolblog.com/wp-content/uploads/VistFonts/VistaFonts.zipUsing them:http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &nbsp;  1 to 1 of 1  kinsella Says&#8230;4 minutes ago Microsoft has rolled out a raft of 6 new fonts that are likely to start permeating web pages in the near future. They&#8217;re nice fonts too &#8211; more modern and elegant than the dated-looking strokes of Verdana, Tahoma and Trebuchet. There&#8217;s 3 serifs, a monospace and 2 sans and all start with a &#8216;C&#8217; &#8211; Calibri, Constantia, Candara, Corbel, Cambria and Consolas (monospace).More on them in the link below as well as a direct download link. As others have said &#8211; if you use CSS to spec them then you can start using them now by specifiying a fallback alternative family as second, third, twentieth choice for users that don&#8217;t have them yet (it&#8217;s likely these will start shipping for Mac with next gen versions of Office).I have them on my Mac OSX system already and am beginning to find the odd sitehere and there that is already using them.Font download here:http://www.techtoolblog.com/wp-content/uploads/VistFonts/VistaFonts.zipUsing them:http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Helene</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-13806</link>
		<dc:creator>Helene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to thank you for the time you spent building this page.o</description>
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		<title>By: Andy's Blog</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-3691</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Computer Guru</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-3247</link>
		<dc:creator>Computer Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;pre lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;body {
      font-size-adjust: 0.54;
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I don&#039;t think that would work, it only standardizes the ratio of a small letter to capital letter, but if they&#039;re both small, you&#039;re still in deep trouble. Actually, the Vista fonts are &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; legible at small font sizes, and the typography team has done a marvellous job on the proportions.. it&#039;s just the entire font &lt;em&gt;as a whole&lt;/em&gt; needs to be jacked up a couple of pixel sizes... 

Is there a CSS &quot;ideas&quot; box or something?</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think that would work, it only standardizes the ratio of a small letter to capital letter, but if they&#8217;re both small, you&#8217;re still in deep trouble. Actually, the Vista fonts are <em>very</em> legible at small font sizes, and the typography team has done a marvellous job on the proportions.. it&#8217;s just the entire font <em>as a whole</em> needs to be jacked up a couple of pixel sizes&#8230; </p>
<p>Is there a CSS &#8220;ideas&#8221; box or something?</p>
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		<title>By: majestic</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-3246</link>
		<dc:creator>majestic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;easy&#039; solution to this problem would be to use the CSS &quot;font-size-adjust&quot; selector. However I think it&#039;s CSS3 which might explain its low support atm. Firefox will catch up, but unless IE7 final includes supprt for it, then it&#039;ll be a another couple of years before this solves the &#039;too small fonts&#039; dilemma.

If you know a way to give percentage sizing to each font, let me know! I&#039;d be keen to hear that.</description>
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<p>If you know a way to give percentage sizing to each font, let me know! I&#8217;d be keen to hear that.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Mile Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guai in Vista&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-3108</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Mile Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guai in Vista&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: I nuovi font di Microsoft e i CSS &#124; &#60;edit&#62; - Il blog di HTML.it</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-3105</link>
		<dc:creator>I nuovi font di Microsoft e i CSS &#124; &#60;edit&#62; - Il blog di HTML.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Abbiamo gi&#xE0; parlato in un altro post dei nuovi font introdotti da Microsoft su Windows Vista. Data la loro presumibile altissima diffusione, molti hanno commentato che sono destinati a diventare la base per la tipografia anche sul web, andando a sostituire classici come Verdana o Times New Roman.Quasi per caso, ieri, ho trovato questo post su NeoSmart. Si parla dell&#039;uso di questi nuovi font nei CSS. L&#039;autore ha usato il nuovo Calibri come prima opzione nella dichiarazione della font-family, facendolo seguire da quelli &#039;vecchi&#039;. Beh, i risultati sono stati un po&#039; problematici. Calibri &#xE8; piuttosto piccolo e, se si vuole servirlo con dimensioni adeguate, si sacrificher&#xE0; l&#039;esperienza di chi non lo ha installato perch&#xE9; a quel punto sar&#xE0; preso come font il secondo della lista (che di fatto risulter&#xE0; sproporzionato).Non ho trovato altri riferimenti dettagliati. Qualcuno ha installato la beta di Vista? Ha fatto prove al riguardo? [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Abbiamo gi&#xE0; parlato in un altro post dei nuovi font introdotti da Microsoft su Windows Vista. Data la loro presumibile altissima diffusione, molti hanno commentato che sono destinati a diventare la base per la tipografia anche sul web, andando a sostituire classici come Verdana o Times New Roman.Quasi per caso, ieri, ho trovato questo post su NeoSmart. Si parla dell&#8217;uso di questi nuovi font nei CSS. L&#8217;autore ha usato il nuovo Calibri come prima opzione nella dichiarazione della font-family, facendolo seguire da quelli &#8216;vecchi&#8217;. Beh, i risultati sono stati un po&#8217; problematici. Calibri &#xE8; piuttosto piccolo e, se si vuole servirlo con dimensioni adeguate, si sacrificher&#xE0; l&#8217;esperienza di chi non lo ha installato perch&#xE9; a quel punto sar&#xE0; preso come font il secondo della lista (che di fatto risulter&#xE0; sproporzionato).Non ho trovato altri riferimenti dettagliati. Qualcuno ha installato la beta di Vista? Ha fatto prove al riguardo? [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Михаил Квривишвили (Вит)</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-2868</link>
		<dc:creator>Михаил Квривишвили (Вит)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Computer Guru</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>Computer Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

The old licenses aren&#039;t open source, just freeware. 99% of Linux distros refuse to ship with anything that isn&#039;t GPL, because it &#039;taints&#039; the kernel and the distro. But no one could stop you from shipping it if you felt like it - so long as you added MS&#039; license to the EULA (which is like adding a sour milk to the jug - not good).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>The old licenses aren&#8217;t open source, just freeware. 99% of Linux distros refuse to ship with anything that isn&#8217;t GPL, because it &#8216;taints&#8217; the kernel and the distro. But no one could stop you from shipping it if you felt like it &#8211; so long as you added MS&#8217; license to the EULA (which is like adding a sour milk to the jug &#8211; not good).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-2805</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True...absolutely quite a big problem for web designers. Well, the limited license thing is not the real problem, even the old MS fonts, which can be shared to some extent, are not pre-installed on Linux distributions.
But the scaling problem is a major one - not only with the Microsoft fonts. I hope some feature like dynamic font scaling will be added to at least Firefox soon - you can&#039;t expect that in IE7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True&#8230;absolutely quite a big problem for web designers. Well, the limited license thing is not the real problem, even the old MS fonts, which can be shared to some extent, are not pre-installed on Linux distributions.<br />
But the scaling problem is a major one &#8211; not only with the Microsoft fonts. I hope some feature like dynamic font scaling will be added to at least Firefox soon &#8211; you can&#8217;t expect that in IE7.</p>
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		<title>By: Longhorn Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Problem with Microsoft&#8217;s New Fonts</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-2772</link>
		<dc:creator>Longhorn Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Problem with Microsoft&#8217;s New Fonts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: digg / Technology / Upcoming</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/css-vistas-new-fonts/#comment-2771</link>
		<dc:creator>digg / Technology / Upcoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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