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	<title>Comments on: Does Net-non-Neutrality Already Exist?</title>
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		<title>By: Mahmoud Al-Qudsi</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/does-net-non-neutrality-already-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-9440</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmoud Al-Qudsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi phreaki, interesting points you raise there. Quick question, do you mean &quot;Net neutrality doesn&#039;t exist&quot; or do really mean that net-neutrality &lt;strong&gt;does indeed&lt;/strong&gt; exist?
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&lt;p&gt;The bulk of your statement points to net-neutrality&#039;s non-existence (hence the &lt;em&gt;existence&lt;/em&gt; of net-non-neutrality) - but your first statement seems to contradict that..
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&lt;p&gt;I want to &lt;strong&gt;kill&lt;/strong&gt; whoever coined up that term, it&#039;s difficult to clearly negate! Probably part of the plan, to stop us from actually doing anything about it! :@
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi phreaki, interesting points you raise there. Quick question, do you mean &#8220;Net neutrality doesn&#8217;t exist&#8221; or do really mean that net-neutrality <strong>does indeed</strong> exist?
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<p>The bulk of your statement points to net-neutrality&#8217;s non-existence (hence the <em>existence</em> of net-non-neutrality) &#8211; but your first statement seems to contradict that..
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<p>I want to <strong>kill</strong> whoever coined up that term, it&#8217;s difficult to clearly negate! Probably part of the plan, to stop us from actually doing anything about it! :@</p>
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		<title>By: phreaki</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/does-net-non-neutrality-already-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-9438</link>
		<dc:creator>phreaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Net non-neutrality doesn&#039;t exist, which I&#039;ve seen firsthand in even small networks that aren&#039;t at 95% saturation. There seems to be a split in network owners over why they censor or block parts of the Internet, while other owners have a much better view of what the consumer is buying.

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Blockers:
  1. It&#039;s my network I&#039;ll do what I want.
  2. I pay the bills and it&#039;s gotta make money (network&#039;s not saturated or qos&#039;d it&#039;s just blocked)
  3. Nobody&#039;s complained about the port throttling affecting anything yet so I&#039;ll deal with it then


  Allowers:
  1. The customer is paying for Internet
  2. I&#039;m paying for two T1&#039;s it better be used
  3. I&#039;m not going to throttle something and wait for complaints, by then it&#039;s too late.


  This is from a small town ISP/WISP perspective from two very different viewpoints, one is a very fast growing WISP that gets tons of referrals and lots of word of mouth, the other has a website block list of over 20 sites and wide swaths of port throttling that could block MSN file transfers among other things.
  

There is a good chance now that competing wireless, cable or DSL sites will be slowed down or blocked, and I brought up possible neutrality laws. One side would rather close down, claim they are a &#039;club&#039; or anything else to get out of the control of the government. The other is happy as pie since they do nothing that could violate other than a clamp on the total speed of the customers connection.
  
  I can boil down net neutrality violaters to three camps:
  
  1. Business owners (CTO, CEO) trying to block communication in an attempt to save money from wrong place.
  2. Filters and throttles being used in place of re-investing in bandwidth.
  3. Being afraid of competition.
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Net non-neutrality doesn&#8217;t exist, which I&#8217;ve seen firsthand in even small networks that aren&#8217;t at 95% saturation. There seems to be a split in network owners over why they censor or block parts of the Internet, while other owners have a much better view of what the consumer is buying.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Blockers:<br />
  1. It&#8217;s my network I&#8217;ll do what I want.<br />
  2. I pay the bills and it&#8217;s gotta make money (network&#8217;s not saturated or qos&#8217;d it&#8217;s just blocked)<br />
  3. Nobody&#8217;s complained about the port throttling affecting anything yet so I&#8217;ll deal with it then</p>
<p>  Allowers:<br />
  1. The customer is paying for Internet<br />
  2. I&#8217;m paying for two T1&#8242;s it better be used<br />
  3. I&#8217;m not going to throttle something and wait for complaints, by then it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>  This is from a small town ISP/WISP perspective from two very different viewpoints, one is a very fast growing WISP that gets tons of referrals and lots of word of mouth, the other has a website block list of over 20 sites and wide swaths of port throttling that could block MSN file transfers among other things.</p>
<p>There is a good chance now that competing wireless, cable or DSL sites will be slowed down or blocked, and I brought up possible neutrality laws. One side would rather close down, claim they are a &#8216;club&#8217; or anything else to get out of the control of the government. The other is happy as pie since they do nothing that could violate other than a clamp on the total speed of the customers connection.</p>
<p>  I can boil down net neutrality violaters to three camps:</p>
<p>  1. Business owners (CTO, CEO) trying to block communication in an attempt to save money from wrong place.<br />
  2. Filters and throttles being used in place of re-investing in bandwidth.<br />
  3. Being afraid of competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Johnson</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/does-net-non-neutrality-already-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-9381</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &lt;strong&gt;so&lt;/strong&gt; isn&#039;t good news!

I mean, really, if net-non-neutrality (you guys need to think up of a better name for that!) is so that not only do we receive our data packets &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; the big guys with money, but that we don&#039;t even receive them &lt;em&gt;at all, &lt;/em&gt;we&#039;re &lt;strong&gt;severely screwed!&lt;/strong&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That <strong>so</strong> isn&#8217;t good news!</p>
<p>I mean, really, if net-non-neutrality (you guys need to think up of a better name for that!) is so that not only do we receive our data packets <em>after</em> the big guys with money, but that we don&#8217;t even receive them <em>at all, </em>we&#8217;re <strong>severely screwed!</strong></p>
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