Comments on: What WinFS is all About http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/ Connecting Ideas Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:11:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Microsoft's .NET-Powered Windows Live Writer — The NeoSmart Files http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-76106 Microsoft's .NET-Powered Windows Live Writer — The NeoSmart Files Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:17:13 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-76106 [...] available. And sure enough, that was one of the biggest disappoints in the series of what Vista turned out not to [...] [...] available. And sure enough, that was one of the biggest disappoints in the series of what Vista turned out not to [...]

]]> By: WinFS: What's the Big Deal Anyway? at The NeoSmart Files http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-7315 WinFS: What's the Big Deal Anyway? at The NeoSmart Files Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:37:42 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-7315 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] WinFS: What's the Big Deal Anyway? Published June 25th, 2006 in Software Center, Windows and Reviews. Tags: New Technology, Windows Vista, WinFS. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] WinFS: What's the Big Deal Anyway? Published June 25th, 2006 in Software Center, Windows and Reviews. Tags: New Technology, Windows Vista, WinFS. [...]

]]> By: Microsoft Murders Max at The NeoSmart Files http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-6798 Microsoft Murders Max at The NeoSmart Files Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:25:04 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-6798 [...] Well, it’s official at any rate. Contrary to what you’ve heard, Windows Vista will not be shipping with any of the original technologies, features, capabilities, or subsystems originally promised. First it was the real Aero – complete visual control over one’s system. Amazing graphics, sidebars that were a part of the Windows Core, Aero Diamond. Then it was NGSCB and its amazing security features – not DRM, but total privacy control; your privacy. Monad. Last we heard, it was WinFS, the king-pin feature that was promised to change the way you think of data… And now the last one is gone: Microsoft Max is dead. [...] [...] Well, it’s official at any rate. Contrary to what you’ve heard, Windows Vista will not be shipping with any of the original technologies, features, capabilities, or subsystems originally promised. First it was the real Aero – complete visual control over one’s system. Amazing graphics, sidebars that were a part of the Windows Core, Aero Diamond. Then it was NGSCB and its amazing security features – not DRM, but total privacy control; your privacy. Monad. Last we heard, it was WinFS, the king-pin feature that was promised to change the way you think of data… And now the last one is gone: Microsoft Max is dead. [...]

]]> By: unix_jedi's Journal http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-3702 unix_jedi's Journal Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:22:30 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-3702 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] WinFS is dead. Again. Not that again, this again. http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200Pardon me while I reminisce about an earlier, less sullied time. About 10 years ago, when myself and many of my online acquantinces were doggedly chasing reporters and reviewers, and demanding that they stop taking what Microsoft claimed to be coming, at face value. Reminding them repeatedly of the promises made years before. That the deliveries hadn't come CLOSE to the promises and that the promises kept moving down the road.WinFS *originally* was OFS. Promised in '92 to be delivered by '94. Ballmer hizzelf was the promiser. '94. Cairo. Was going to change everything you thought about computers. Here we are, 2006. 12 years after the promised delivery. 14 after the promise. No OFS. Windows has gone though multiple permutations. "NT", which was just starting to compile after Microsoft broke from IBM's working OS/2, has since been reworked radically no less than 4 times - and reportedly, they _finally_ threw the code out and re-wrote from the ground up for "Longhorn". (Remember, Microsoft's story doesn't always match up, so if the code looks familiar, I won't be surprised.).The Road to Cairo. Used to trade a lot of messages with Nick. He was the least-swayed by all the Microsoft hype, back in the day. His reporting on Windows 95, and proving that huge gobs of code were ripped out between the beta and release, replaced with older 16 bit code reportedly infuriated Gates. (But were true, and verified). But if you are looking for a much better idea, check out the ReiserFS file system. The file system that Hans Reiser proposes is similar to OFS in one respect: Both are vaporware. But Reiser's vaporware is better than any I've seen in this category.This article was written in 2002. ReiserFS .9.0 was released into beta test January 5, 2003. Reiser is now up to version 4 released. I'm running 3.6 on my production Linux servers, and my new desktop. Which is very, very, very good.From April 02, to Jan 03, Hans Reiser got a conceptual, new file system planned, programmed, and released. A year later, version 1.0 was released. 2 years to get it working. Versus 14 years of vapor.Which one got more press in the meantime? Which one was reported on, and how many stories each week breathlessly reported what Ballmer/Allchin/Gates announced was, for sure, this time, we really, really, really promise were there?So, WinFS is "dead". I know I'll see a press release soon enough touting the same promises, just a couple of years off. I just need to migrate NOW to Windows and really, truely, it'll be there! C'mon, would Microsoft lie to you? (1 Comment |Comment on this)1:28 pm [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] WinFS is dead. Again. Not that again, this again. http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200Pardon me while I reminisce about an earlier, less sullied time. About 10 years ago, when myself and many of my online acquantinces were doggedly chasing reporters and reviewers, and demanding that they stop taking what Microsoft claimed to be coming, at face value. Reminding them repeatedly of the promises made years before. That the deliveries hadn’t come CLOSE to the promises and that the promises kept moving down the road.WinFS *originally* was OFS. Promised in ‘92 to be delivered by ‘94. Ballmer hizzelf was the promiser. ‘94. Cairo. Was going to change everything you thought about computers. Here we are, 2006. 12 years after the promised delivery. 14 after the promise. No OFS. Windows has gone though multiple permutations. “NT”, which was just starting to compile after Microsoft broke from IBM’s working OS/2, has since been reworked radically no less than 4 times – and reportedly, they _finally_ threw the code out and re-wrote from the ground up for “Longhorn”. (Remember, Microsoft’s story doesn’t always match up, so if the code looks familiar, I won’t be surprised.).The Road to Cairo. Used to trade a lot of messages with Nick. He was the least-swayed by all the Microsoft hype, back in the day. His reporting on Windows 95, and proving that huge gobs of code were ripped out between the beta and release, replaced with older 16 bit code reportedly infuriated Gates. (But were true, and verified). But if you are looking for a much better idea, check out the ReiserFS file system. The file system that Hans Reiser proposes is similar to OFS in one respect: Both are vaporware. But Reiser’s vaporware is better than any I’ve seen in this category.This article was written in 2002. ReiserFS .9.0 was released into beta test January 5, 2003. Reiser is now up to version 4 released. I’m running 3.6 on my production Linux servers, and my new desktop. Which is very, very, very good.From April 02, to Jan 03, Hans Reiser got a conceptual, new file system planned, programmed, and released. A year later, version 1.0 was released. 2 years to get it working. Versus 14 years of vapor.Which one got more press in the meantime? Which one was reported on, and how many stories each week breathlessly reported what Ballmer/Allchin/Gates announced was, for sure, this time, we really, really, really promise were there?So, WinFS is “dead”. I know I’ll see a press release soon enough touting the same promises, just a couple of years off. I just need to migrate NOW to Windows and really, truely, it’ll be there! C’mon, would Microsoft lie to you? (1 Comment |Comment on this)1:28 pm [...]

]]> By: digg / ComputerGuru / dugg http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-3596 digg / ComputerGuru / dugg Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:26:20 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-3596 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] WinFS in Retrospect [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] WinFS in Retrospect [...]

]]> By: WinFS est abandonné...sale coup pour l'A.I. - Forum Débats Scientifiques sur Futura-Sciences.com http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-2573 WinFS est abandonné...sale coup pour l'A.I. - Forum Débats Scientifiques sur Futura-Sciences.com Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:34:33 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-2573 [...] WinFS est abandonné…sale coup pour l’A.I. Bonjour, Concernant l’intelligence artificielle j’ai expliqué à plusieurs reprises qu’il etait necessaire d’obtenir un programme capable de restructurer de façon autonome ses données. Loin de toute discussion théorique le projet le plus proche de cette contrainte c’était WinFS qui devait remplacer NTFS à la suite de Vista. Seulement, depuis avant hier WinFS est abandonné : http://blogs.msdn.com/winfs/ Alors ce n’est pas vraiment une bonne nouvelle pour l’intelligence artificielle : http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200 Bien avant de pouvoir obtenir des machines intelligentes il faudrait d’abord obtenir des machines "futées" ou "débrouillardes". WinFS qui aurait couplé un modèle relationnel de l’activité du système d’opération aux applications transactionnelles et en temps réel aurait put être un grand pas vers ce but. Seulement c’est foutu! [...]

]]> By: Matt Broadstock http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-2506 Matt Broadstock Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:48:34 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-2506 <strong>WinFS officially dead?...</strong> It isn't much of a surprise but apparently WinFS is pretty much being scrapped. You can just read through...... WinFS officially dead?…

It isn’t much of a surprise but apparently WinFS is pretty much being scrapped. You can just read through……

]]> By: Digg, Slashdot, OSNews, and More! at The NeoSmart Blog http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-2465 Digg, Slashdot, OSNews, and More! at The NeoSmart Blog Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:57:42 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-2465 [...] Register « What's the Big Deal Anyway? [...] [...] Register « What's the Big Deal Anyway? [...]

]]> By: WinFS in Retrospect - Neowin.net http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-2458 WinFS in Retrospect - Neowin.net Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:05:25 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-2458 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] NeoSmart Technologies has an article about WinFS in retrospect. WinFS has been 15 years in the making, and here's a look at what it could have been, and possible reasons why it didn't happen.WinFS was the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle. Anyone that is familiar with the term “Cairo” should know immediately what I’m talking about. For 15 years now, Cairo was Microsoft’s vision, almost every single decision made for the desktop operating systems came from a vision of Cairo becoming a reality, and over the years, Cairo began to take shape. Everything was in place, and only WinFS was left.At its heart was WinFS. The culmination of Bill Gate’s vision of “Information at your fingertips.” As Robert McLaws points out, it’s all about the relational file system. It means everything. If there were mythical beasts in technology, AI would be the Phoenix, and WinFS would be the Unicorn.Source: NeoSmart TechnologiesArticle: WinFS in Retrospect [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] NeoSmart Technologies has an article about WinFS in retrospect. WinFS has been 15 years in the making, and here's a look at what it could have been, and possible reasons why it didn't happen.WinFS was the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle. Anyone that is familiar with the term “Cairo” should know immediately what I’m talking about. For 15 years now, Cairo was Microsoft’s vision, almost every single decision made for the desktop operating systems came from a vision of Cairo becoming a reality, and over the years, Cairo began to take shape. Everything was in place, and only WinFS was left.At its heart was WinFS. The culmination of Bill Gate’s vision of “Information at your fingertips.” As Robert McLaws points out, it’s all about the relational file system. It means everything. If there were mythical beasts in technology, AI would be the Phoenix, and WinFS would be the Unicorn.Source: NeoSmart TechnologiesArticle: WinFS in Retrospect [...]

]]> By: WinFS: What's the Big Deal Anyway? - OSNews.com http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-2456 WinFS: What's the Big Deal Anyway? - OSNews.com Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:39:30 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-2456 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Register | FAQ Forgot password?   WinFS: What's the Big Deal Anyway?   Linked by Thom Holwerda on 2006-06-25 21:16:49 UTC, submitted by Dolphin "WinFS has been officially pulled out of Microsoft's road map for products and services - permanently. People all around the web are shocked and complaining. But the thing is: who didn't expect this? Although no one came out and said it directly, no one spoke of WinFS except as a distant memory, it was quite obvious that people didn't buy Microsoft's story of it shipping separately. If people believed, the shock and outrage today would be ten times as big as it was when the LH project was rebooted and WinFS torn out with the strings still hanging. But the question many people are asking these long years later is: what is WinFS anyway? And what's the big deal if everyone already knew it wasn't coming?" Ads_kid=0;Ads_bid=0;Ads_xl=0;Ads_yl=0;Ads_wrd='[KeyWord]';  This story has been recommended 1 time.Recommend This Story! 26 commentsPrinter friendly WinFS Team Blog: WinFS Update - Posted on 2006-06-25 Microsoft Exec: Linux No Threat to Windows on Desktop - Posted on 2006-06-23 Microsoft on Making Software More Secure - Posted on 2006-06-23 Ballmer's Right Hand Man Waves Goodbye to Microsoft - Posted on 2006-06-21 Microsoft Eats Humble Pie Over Office Bloat - Posted on 2006-06-21   More related articles [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Register | FAQ Forgot password?   WinFS: What’s the Big Deal Anyway?   Linked by Thom Holwerda on 2006-06-25 21:16:49 UTC, submitted by Dolphin “WinFS has been officially pulled out of Microsoft’s road map for products and services – permanently. People all around the web are shocked and complaining. But the thing is: who didn’t expect this? Although no one came out and said it directly, no one spoke of WinFS except as a distant memory, it was quite obvious that people didn’t buy Microsoft’s story of it shipping separately. If people believed, the shock and outrage today would be ten times as big as it was when the LH project was rebooted and WinFS torn out with the strings still hanging. But the question many people are asking these long years later is: what is WinFS anyway? And what’s the big deal if everyone already knew it wasn’t coming?” Ads_kid=0;Ads_bid=0;Ads_xl=0;Ads_yl=0;Ads_wrd=’[KeyWord]‘;  This story has been recommended 1 time.Recommend This Story! 26 commentsPrinter friendly WinFS Team Blog: WinFS Update – Posted on 2006-06-25 Microsoft Exec: Linux No Threat to Windows on Desktop – Posted on 2006-06-23 Microsoft on Making Software More Secure – Posted on 2006-06-23 Ballmer’s Right Hand Man Waves Goodbye to Microsoft – Posted on 2006-06-21 Microsoft Eats Humble Pie Over Office Bloat – Posted on 2006-06-21   More related articles [...]

]]> By: PoliTech » WinFS Scrapped, Parts Sold For Junk http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-2435 PoliTech » WinFS Scrapped, Parts Sold For Junk Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:11:43 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-2435 [...] Upadte: Computer Guru at The NeoSmart Blog has a very detailed post about WinFS where some of the nuances are discussed. What matters is, WinFS is really gone. It’s dead, and it’s not coming back for a long time. Microsoft may claim that it’s being chopped up into smaller pieces and being fed back to the community and Windows in various products and services - but just think about it: does it seem like WinFS could be delivered in bits and pieces and then build itself together? Does it even matter? [...] [...] Upadte: Computer Guru at The NeoSmart Blog has a very detailed post about WinFS where some of the nuances are discussed. What matters is, WinFS is really gone. It’s dead, and it’s not coming back for a long time. Microsoft may claim that it’s being chopped up into smaller pieces and being fed back to the community and Windows in various products and services – but just think about it: does it seem like WinFS could be delivered in bits and pieces and then build itself together? Does it even matter? [...]

]]> By: Longhorn Blog » Blog Archive » WinFS in Retrospect http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/winfs/#comment-2432 Longhorn Blog » Blog Archive » WinFS in Retrospect Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:54:16 +0000 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/200#comment-2432 [...] read more | digg story [...] [...] read more | digg story [...]

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