Comments on: Please Microsoft, Stop Holding .NET Back!

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By: Sandro Magi

Sandro Magi — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:50:13 +0000

I look forward to reading about it. I’m sure the Mono devs will be interested in smoothing out those bumps as well so you should definitely post it to their mailing list!

By: Computer Guru

Computer Guru — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:40:55 +0000

That’s very true – our next project is actually GTK# compiled under Windows yet runs on Linux; but let me tell you, it’s been a rough ride

We’ll probably publish a follow-up article on just what it took to get this project running on all platforms without trouble, but that’s for another day

By: Sandro Magi

Sandro Magi — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:37:12 +0000

Mono has a mostly working implementation of Windows.Forms, and with the recent release of the Moma checker and the subsequent bug reports that have been fixed, they’re closer than ever to full API compatibility.

So no, you don’t have to use GTK# for GUI development (I believe both SharpDevelop and Paint.NET now work out of the box). A great deal of .NET development is web-based as well, for which Mono is eminently suited. I grant you that they’ll always lag behind MS simply because of the size of the .NET APIs (much of which is unnecessary bloat).

Also, consider the fact that you can develop on GTK# in the first place, and have it run even with the MS.NET implementation. There you go: code GUI once, run everywhere.

By: Computer Guru

Computer Guru — Wed, 23 May 2007 04:03:35 +0000

I think you’re mixing up the CLR with .NET.

Mono is a good implementation of the CLR. The code is the same, but the output is different.

With Mono, you have to use GTK#. I don’t consider a platform to be “equivalent” if I have to recode the entire interface and the hooks.

Sure, the code beneath may look more or less the same (more of more than of less), but the amount of work involved in making a .NET application run on Mono is insane. I don’t know if you tried it, but it’s no different than starting over from scratch.

By: Sandro Magi

Sandro Magi — Wed, 23 May 2007 00:49:43 +0000

Hand waving does not a rational argument make, so please at least outline the technical details surrounding precisely why Mono sucks as a .NET implementation. As I pointed out with empirical data, MS can’t even get .NET right on their own platform, and Mono has a pretty decent .NET 2.0 compatible VM and runtime running on multiple platforms and for multiple architectures.

I’m not a Mono fanboy, as I use Visual Studio and MS’s .NET everyday for work, but credit where credit is due: Mono is a pretty good implementation of .NET, and very cross platform to boot.

By: Computer Guru

Computer Guru — Mon, 21 May 2007 17:03:37 +0000

No, Mono isn’t crap in and of itself; but Mono as a .NET implementation for Linux is.

By: Sandro Magi

Sandro Magi — Mon, 21 May 2007 15:44:04 +0000

Honestly, your assertion that Mono is crap is juvenile and simply wrong. Here's a hint: take a look at Microsoft .NET's runtime bugs as uncovered by Nemerle's devs, then look at Mono's bug list. Microsoft can't even get .NET right on their own platform, and you want them to go multiplatform? Yikes.

By: Stop yer cryin'

Stop yer cryin' — Wed, 09 May 2007 22:35:30 +0000

Sure Visual Studio is a bit behind due to closed source and due to the evil empire holding tight as if it were a last gasp for money.

In my perspective I applaud microsoft for trying at least. I want a better faster enviroment than java. I am sorry but if you have ever coded in java and watched how slow the runtimes are even on a solaris server. I will take .net anytime and yes we all know .net has its issues too.

I hope with microsoft opening up and involving the open source community it will finally put a nail in the coffin for sun. *sarcasm*