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		<title>By: Computer Guru</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-74654</link>
		<dc:creator>Computer Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's quite funny. We posted this almost a full year ago - it took that long for the truth to come out.

Just yesterday, Jimmy Wales and his crew were outed for their secret mailing list used, amongst other things, to plot against their own contributors: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/04/0333252

The signs have been there for all to see for quite a while now... it's about time people realized what's really happening!

And on a similar note: http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikias-outrageous-exploitation-of-the-human-race/
Same thing, same people behind it, just a different name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite funny. We posted this almost a full year ago - it took that long for the truth to come out.</p>
<p>Just yesterday, Jimmy Wales and his crew were outed for their secret mailing list used, amongst other things, to plot against their own contributors: <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/04/0333252" rel="nofollow">http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/04/0333252</a></p>
<p>The signs have been there for all to see for quite a while now&#8230; it&#8217;s about time people realized what&#8217;s really happening!</p>
<p>And on a similar note: <a href="http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikias-outrageous-exploitation-of-the-human-race/" rel="nofollow">http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikias-outrageous-exploitation-of-the-human-race/</a><br />
Same thing, same people behind it, just a different name.</p>
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		<title>By: Thoughts Guy</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-74648</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I'll start boycotting them too. In fact, I'll start redistributing their works and linking to the redistributions instead! lol.

Maybe someone will pay me for my content like Answers.com pays Wikpedia for theirs!

"...Wikipedia and Answers.com will split advertising revenue from the Answers.com website from users utilizing the software. This is expected to commence in January 2006, starting with a 60-day trial period."
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2005-10-24/Answers.com_partnership

hahahahaha

Seriously, they've seemed comparable to nazi's. "You can not do this! Only we can do this! We are all that is good and all who are not with us will be punished!"
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll start boycotting them too. In fact, I&#8217;ll start redistributing their works and linking to the redistributions instead! lol.</p>
<p>Maybe someone will pay me for my content like Answers.com pays Wikpedia for theirs!</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Wikipedia and Answers.com will split advertising revenue from the Answers.com website from users utilizing the software. This is expected to commence in January 2006, starting with a 60-day trial period.&#8221;<br />
  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2005-10-24/Answers.com_partnership" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2005-10-24/Answers.com_partnership</a></p>
<p>hahahahaha</p>
<p>Seriously, they&#8217;ve seemed comparable to nazi&#8217;s. &#8220;You can not do this! Only we can do this! We are all that is good and all who are not with us will be punished!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wikia&#8217;s Outrageous Exploitation of the Human Race at The NeoSmart Files</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-33536</link>
		<dc:creator>Wikia&#8217;s Outrageous Exploitation of the Human Race at The NeoSmart Files</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Most people are content with things the way they are: after all, it&#8217;s for a good cause! Go ahead and exploit humans, we agree, if the end result brings as much benefit and knowledge to the world as Wikipedia did and does. However, earlier this year, Wikipedia did a couple of things that created an outrage in the online community, by banning contributing sources to Wikipedia from getting the credit they deserve. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Most people are content with things the way they are: after all, it&#8217;s for a good cause! Go ahead and exploit humans, we agree, if the end result brings as much benefit and knowledge to the world as Wikipedia did and does. However, earlier this year, Wikipedia did a couple of things that created an outrage in the online community, by banning contributing sources to Wikipedia from getting the credit they deserve. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lorna Li &#124; Green 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Wikipedia Dominates SERPs</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-33107</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorna Li &#124; Green 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Wikipedia Dominates SERPs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wikipedia Takes our Money &#38; Links, Gives Nothing Back [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Schneider</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-24322</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia is a rollercoaster about ten feet over the top: It's going nowhere but DOWN. Right now, it's not accelerating down particularly fast, and you may not even be noticing it yet. But give it another year, and it will be completely obvious to everyone on earth.

It has sacrificed the premise of truth for the premise of "concensus" (but there are ways around that, too, if you're "made"). Thinly-veiled propagandists pretty much own all remotely politicized topics, and the taint can only spread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is a rollercoaster about ten feet over the top: It&#8217;s going nowhere but DOWN. Right now, it&#8217;s not accelerating down particularly fast, and you may not even be noticing it yet. But give it another year, and it will be completely obvious to everyone on earth.</p>
<p>It has sacrificed the premise of truth for the premise of &#8220;concensus&#8221; (but there are ways around that, too, if you&#8217;re &#8220;made&#8221;). Thinly-veiled propagandists pretty much own all remotely politicized topics, and the taint can only spread.</p>
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		<title>By: timmy</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-18417</link>
		<dc:creator>timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 15:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so agree with you. The use of rel=nofollow is not right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so agree with you. The use of rel=nofollow is not right.</p>
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		<title>By: Computer Guru</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-18392</link>
		<dc:creator>Computer Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 05:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't doubt that. I encourage linking to Wikipedia to share the knowledge - just masking those links from Google &#38; Co. with no-follow the same as they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that. I encourage linking to Wikipedia to share the knowledge - just masking those links from Google &amp; Co. with no-follow the same as they have.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-18368</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 22:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia is still a good project and has lots of useful information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is still a good project and has lots of useful information.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-11956</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really great that you are using nofollow on your blog as well.

Wikipedia insteading of attacking the source, has gone and attacked the symptom. I wonder how many spammers will stop spamming because of this!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really great that you are using nofollow on your blog as well.</p>
<p>Wikipedia insteading of attacking the source, has gone and attacked the symptom. I wonder how many spammers will stop spamming because of this!</p>
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		<title>By: kid not kidding</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-11897</link>
		<dc:creator>kid not kidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want a link back for your link forward? You might as well wanted cash for your cash, and also, you might as well be obliged to write an article for reading one. Do unto others...
  

Tho I understand your point of view, I see it differently. I believe that what we get and what we should expect to get from wikipedia is not SEO, but knowledge.
  

However, - without reading Jimmy Wales' opinion on the subject - I don't understand their way of thinking.
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want a link back for your link forward? You might as well wanted cash for your cash, and also, you might as well be obliged to write an article for reading one. Do unto others&#8230;</p>
<p>Tho I understand your point of view, I see it differently. I believe that what we get and what we should expect to get from wikipedia is not SEO, but knowledge.</p>
<p>However, - without reading Jimmy Wales&#8217; opinion on the subject - I don&#8217;t understand their way of thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Computer Guru</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-11864</link>
		<dc:creator>Computer Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The reference to money is just to emphasize that they are &lt;em&gt;entirely powered by the community&lt;/em&gt;. In terms of hosting fees, event expenses, and staff wages, that cash comes from the community. The content comes from the community, and the research articles and extended reading also come from the community.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words, &lt;strong&gt;Wikipedia is nothing without the community&lt;/strong&gt;, and as such, it has &lt;strong&gt;no right&lt;/strong&gt; to abuse the community's kindness and help in such a way.
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reference to money is just to emphasize that they are <em>entirely powered by the community</em>. In terms of hosting fees, event expenses, and staff wages, that cash comes from the community. The content comes from the community, and the research articles and extended reading also come from the community.
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<p>In other words, <strong>Wikipedia is nothing without the community</strong>, and as such, it has <strong>no right</strong> to abuse the community&#8217;s kindness and help in such a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Computer Guru</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-11863</link>
		<dc:creator>Computer Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jesse, I agree. We're not saying not to donate &lt;em&gt;cash &lt;/em&gt;to Wikipedia, just not to donate SEO juice to them.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We may still be getting the traffic, but we don't get the SEO rankings. For instance, we're linked in Wikipedia all over the place with reference to Windows Vista articles. If you go to the Windows Vista article, you can follow a link to our site. But the problem arises when you &lt;em&gt;search&lt;/em&gt; for a Vista-related article.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It used to be that if your post was linked in Wikipedia, you'd show up on Google when you search for a related term. Wikipedia has a very high "link quality" factor, meaning that if you were linked from Wikipedia, your chances of being higher-up in a Google search were bigger, and that was fair. After all, if you're worthy of being linked in an encyclopedia, are you not worthy of being in a Google search too?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But now being linked to from an encyclopedia &lt;em&gt;doesn't&lt;/em&gt; give your blog more "credability" on Google &#38; Co. Instead, it's as if you were never even linked to in the first place!
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse, I agree. We&#8217;re not saying not to donate <em>cash </em>to Wikipedia, just not to donate SEO juice to them.
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<p>We may still be getting the traffic, but we don&#8217;t get the SEO rankings. For instance, we&#8217;re linked in Wikipedia all over the place with reference to Windows Vista articles. If you go to the Windows Vista article, you can follow a link to our site. But the problem arises when you <em>search</em> for a Vista-related article.
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<p>It used to be that if your post was linked in Wikipedia, you&#8217;d show up on Google when you search for a related term. Wikipedia has a very high &#8220;link quality&#8221; factor, meaning that if you were linked from Wikipedia, your chances of being higher-up in a Google search were bigger, and that was fair. After all, if you&#8217;re worthy of being linked in an encyclopedia, are you not worthy of being in a Google search too?
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<p>But now being linked to from an encyclopedia <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> give your blog more &#8220;credability&#8221; on Google &amp; Co. Instead, it&#8217;s as if you were never even linked to in the first place!</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/wikipedia-steals-link-juice/#comment-11862</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know, I mean, from the community-based wiki view, what's the need for a link back credit? You're getting traffic, I don't see the big deal of the nofollow tag, I can't see how else it would be used other than for practicality. Or am I missing something? Wikipedia is mighty useful as it is, and I know to me it's a completely free service, I never gave them money, probably the same for most all its users. I think donating to them would be under the assumption that it's only to maintain what they already do, not for anything else in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I mean, from the community-based wiki view, what&#8217;s the need for a link back credit? You&#8217;re getting traffic, I don&#8217;t see the big deal of the nofollow tag, I can&#8217;t see how else it would be used other than for practicality. Or am I missing something? Wikipedia is mighty useful as it is, and I know to me it&#8217;s a completely free service, I never gave them money, probably the same for most all its users. I think donating to them would be under the assumption that it&#8217;s only to maintain what they already do, not for anything else in return.</p>
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		<dc:creator>reddit.com: what&#39;s new online</dc:creator>
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