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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-454825</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say since I have been using Firefox I find it a hell of a lot better than IE, IE for me was no good i would have to say in m,y experience Firefox is way better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say since I have been using Firefox I find it a hell of a lot better than IE, IE for me was no good i would have to say in m,y experience Firefox is way better.</p>
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		<title>By: Squall Leonhart</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-454781</link>
		<dc:creator>Squall Leonhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t flipping compare IE to Firefox.

IE uses classes and DLL&#039;s that are built into windows itself. Firefox is self contained.</description>
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<p>IE uses classes and DLL&#8217;s that are built into windows itself. Firefox is self contained.</p>
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		<title>By: Techfanatic</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-454767</link>
		<dc:creator>Techfanatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with this. Firefox always is on top of my task manager in whatever system I use. I have a laptop, 2 desktops, and even our computers at work. Firefox is always number one on the memory usage in task manager.

Here&#039;s a screenshot from my newly formatted laptop. I just installed Windows and Avast. I&#039;ve opened this site and only this site with Firefox 3 and IE 8. I haven&#039;t installed any Firefox extensions yet. Look at the significant difference in memory usage. How much more if I had extensions installed? This is true guys, Firefox reached 800MB usage on my desktop one time with probably 12 tabs open.

http://i.imagehost.org/0150/ff_mem_hog.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with this. Firefox always is on top of my task manager in whatever system I use. I have a laptop, 2 desktops, and even our computers at work. Firefox is always number one on the memory usage in task manager.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a screenshot from my newly formatted laptop. I just installed Windows and Avast. I&#8217;ve opened this site and only this site with Firefox 3 and IE 8. I haven&#8217;t installed any Firefox extensions yet. Look at the significant difference in memory usage. How much more if I had extensions installed? This is true guys, Firefox reached 800MB usage on my desktop one time with probably 12 tabs open.</p>
<p><a href="http://i.imagehost.org/0150/ff_mem_hog.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i.imagehost.org/0150/ff_mem_hog.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Myst</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-453414</link>
		<dc:creator>Myst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Running firefox with 2 tabs an 2 greasemonkey scripts gets me to 590 pretty easily.  Went to bed idling at 1.1gb (4 instances of firefox) an woke up to 1.8gb...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Running firefox with 2 tabs an 2 greasemonkey scripts gets me to 590 pretty easily.  Went to bed idling at 1.1gb (4 instances of firefox) an woke up to 1.8gb&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Squall Leonhart</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-452774</link>
		<dc:creator>Squall Leonhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you had half a brain, you would&#039;ve already discovered that FireBug causes the memory leak in your case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you had half a brain, you would&#8217;ve already discovered that FireBug causes the memory leak in your case.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-452773</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firefox is piece of crap now. I&#039;m using five different OS combination&#039;s for development.
Vista64, Vista32, fedora 11, ubuntu 32 and 64 bit. Firefox is sucking huge memory on all of them.

On my vista32 bit with firefox 3.5.3 and only firebug installed, within 2 hours I just had to shut it down using 310 MB of ram with only 4 tabs open. The sites open were only gmail, and three local sites I&#039;m building.

If they don&#039;t get this figured out their finished. Way worse than IE right now.

Opera smokes it on Linux. Like other people mentioned, they didn&#039;t suck, but they sure do now. Websites don&#039;t make memory leaks, shitty browsers that can&#039;t handle them do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firefox is piece of crap now. I&#8217;m using five different OS combination&#8217;s for development.<br />
Vista64, Vista32, fedora 11, ubuntu 32 and 64 bit. Firefox is sucking huge memory on all of them.</p>
<p>On my vista32 bit with firefox 3.5.3 and only firebug installed, within 2 hours I just had to shut it down using 310 MB of ram with only 4 tabs open. The sites open were only gmail, and three local sites I&#8217;m building.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t get this figured out their finished. Way worse than IE right now.</p>
<p>Opera smokes it on Linux. Like other people mentioned, they didn&#8217;t suck, but they sure do now. Websites don&#8217;t make memory leaks, shitty browsers that can&#8217;t handle them do.</p>
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		<title>By: Erunno</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-451546</link>
		<dc:creator>Erunno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mv,

it&#039;s possible that the AJAX-heavy sites are leaking memory. Yes, even a website can start to allocate memory indirectly and due to shoddy programming prevent Firefox from ever releasing it. This becomes quite pronounced if the website is never closed and the browser (any browser actually) runs for a prolonged time.

It would be interesting to know about which sites you are talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mv,</p>
<p>it&#8217;s possible that the AJAX-heavy sites are leaking memory. Yes, even a website can start to allocate memory indirectly and due to shoddy programming prevent Firefox from ever releasing it. This becomes quite pronounced if the website is never closed and the browser (any browser actually) runs for a prolonged time.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to know about which sites you are talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Wills</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-451496</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Wills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mv has summed it up perfectly.  My experience has been exactly as mv stated except that I have 2 GB and am running Windows 2000 SP4.

I am however still interested in other comments about the Orca browser which I mentioned in an earlier comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mv has summed it up perfectly.  My experience has been exactly as mv stated except that I have 2 GB and am running Windows 2000 SP4.</p>
<p>I am however still interested in other comments about the Orca browser which I mentioned in an earlier comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-451469</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliantly stated.  Thanks, mv!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliantly stated.  Thanks, mv!</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandre</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-451457</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mv: Thoughtful and useful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mv: Thoughtful and useful!</p>
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		<title>By: mv</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-451455</link>
		<dc:creator>mv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife&#039;s computer is on 24/7. Latest Firefox with all tricks told here done and just Adblock Plus plugin, nothing else. It is ALWAYS running even when she is using other bits of software (only some graphics stuffl like Photoshop Elements or FastStone). Oh, and some sound editing as well, occasionally. She only turns of the computer once in two-to-four weeks.

After a run of maybe three weeks she came to me and said that the computer is acting in a funny way. The virtual memory was full, there was simply nothing left (the memory usage was almost 3 GB). And guess who the guilty one was?

Shutting down firefox took ages. I told my wife to restart FF every two or three days.

As for myself I am using FF 12 hours a day for web app development/debugging but I have learned to restart it at least once or twice a day as it gets really, really slow after hitting the 600 MB barrier. And, yes, it still does not release any memory. I am running all major browsers (IE8, FF3.5, Safari, Opera and Chrome) side by side every day testing the same sites and FF is the only one that is constantly causing trouble even though I have used a considerable amount of time trying to fine-tune it.

Those of the commentators (especialy Squall L) who are constantly insulting other users obviously never use FF more than a few hours at a time or never use web applications that make heavy use of JavaScript. It is the only explanation. Please, try running it for a week or so and please run lots of ajax applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife&#8217;s computer is on 24/7. Latest Firefox with all tricks told here done and just Adblock Plus plugin, nothing else. It is ALWAYS running even when she is using other bits of software (only some graphics stuffl like Photoshop Elements or FastStone). Oh, and some sound editing as well, occasionally. She only turns of the computer once in two-to-four weeks.</p>
<p>After a run of maybe three weeks she came to me and said that the computer is acting in a funny way. The virtual memory was full, there was simply nothing left (the memory usage was almost 3 GB). And guess who the guilty one was?</p>
<p>Shutting down firefox took ages. I told my wife to restart FF every two or three days.</p>
<p>As for myself I am using FF 12 hours a day for web app development/debugging but I have learned to restart it at least once or twice a day as it gets really, really slow after hitting the 600 MB barrier. And, yes, it still does not release any memory. I am running all major browsers (IE8, FF3.5, Safari, Opera and Chrome) side by side every day testing the same sites and FF is the only one that is constantly causing trouble even though I have used a considerable amount of time trying to fine-tune it.</p>
<p>Those of the commentators (especialy Squall L) who are constantly insulting other users obviously never use FF more than a few hours at a time or never use web applications that make heavy use of JavaScript. It is the only explanation. Please, try running it for a week or so and please run lots of ajax applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Fuego</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-451194</link>
		<dc:creator>Fuego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8GB Vista 64 here. To those that say that 300MB to 1.5GB is a drop in the ocean, or that FF is caching for performance, I&#039;ll just repeat the points already made by others:

1. I bought the extra RAM to use in other apps (video and audio editing), not for a browser with half a dozen pages open in the background.

2. It (FF) doesn&#039;t give the memory back, even when you exit the app. Other apps fail with insufficient memory, which wouldn&#039;t otherwise fail if FF had never been run from a fresh boot.

3. Yeah, Vista 64 probably doesn&#039;t like FF, or vice-versa.

4. Just because you don&#039;t have the problem, doesn&#039;t mean it doesn&#039;t exist for others, nor does it mean that their systems must be crap (read carefully how many people have had the issue manifest itself with clean installs, or on fresh VMs, with minimal, or no plugins). Yes, maybe it&#039;s the pages/sites that they load - which are no less valid content than whatever it is others like to browse.

That said, I&#039;ve decided to just uninstall FF (personally I&#039;d like to uninstall Vista too, but I&#039;m not yet quite ready for the leap to *nix yet - although I am tempted each day, nor am I giving M$ more $s for W7 so that I don&#039;t have to deal with so many 64 bit related issues). Maybe sometime in the future FF under WV64 will have less memory issues, then maybe I&#039;ll revisit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8GB Vista 64 here. To those that say that 300MB to 1.5GB is a drop in the ocean, or that FF is caching for performance, I&#8217;ll just repeat the points already made by others:</p>
<p>1. I bought the extra RAM to use in other apps (video and audio editing), not for a browser with half a dozen pages open in the background.</p>
<p>2. It (FF) doesn&#8217;t give the memory back, even when you exit the app. Other apps fail with insufficient memory, which wouldn&#8217;t otherwise fail if FF had never been run from a fresh boot.</p>
<p>3. Yeah, Vista 64 probably doesn&#8217;t like FF, or vice-versa.</p>
<p>4. Just because you don&#8217;t have the problem, doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t exist for others, nor does it mean that their systems must be crap (read carefully how many people have had the issue manifest itself with clean installs, or on fresh VMs, with minimal, or no plugins). Yes, maybe it&#8217;s the pages/sites that they load &#8211; which are no less valid content than whatever it is others like to browse.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ve decided to just uninstall FF (personally I&#8217;d like to uninstall Vista too, but I&#8217;m not yet quite ready for the leap to *nix yet &#8211; although I am tempted each day, nor am I giving M$ more $s for W7 so that I don&#8217;t have to deal with so many 64 bit related issues). Maybe sometime in the future FF under WV64 will have less memory issues, then maybe I&#8217;ll revisit it.</p>
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		<title>By: bob ama</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-451193</link>
		<dc:creator>bob ama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only is FF eating memory by the pound, but now it&#039;s a process hog average 20% CPU when I&#039;m not even doing anything.

FF = 3.5.3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only is FF eating memory by the pound, but now it&#8217;s a process hog average 20% CPU when I&#8217;m not even doing anything.</p>
<p>FF = 3.5.3</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-450737</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as an update from yesterday (since I waited a day, I technically consider this still holding true to my promise!), after having done a fair amount of browsing with 6 tabs open, visiting some media sites, etc., the Mem Usage is holding around ~180-200MB.  The sites on each tab, moreover, are all set (except obviously one) to the Firefox+Google start page.  

I&#039;ll assume parts of this memory increase are to improve my browsing performance by caching objects in memory so that repeated use or visitation of a certain page doesn&#039;t require reloading from site servers.  Further, I would imagine FF controls how much caching it does via its interaction with the OS and depends on each person&#039;s memory capacity.  This would explain, as I&#039;m sure noted by other commenters, the different usages observed across different systems.  

If this is the case, it would be perhaps a useful feature, if not currently available (I&#039;ve only dabbled with the slew of configuration variables in about:config), to control the memory management more explicitly.  For instance, perhaps there could be a setting that tells FF to release memory associated with certain sites if you either don&#039;t visit them for some time, or leave it all together.  

Finally, I don&#039;t know if this is what some have done here, but it is superior to quote Mem Usage as a percent of total memory since someone with 8GB of RAM isn&#039;t likely to care about 300MB of usage.  So with 2.5GB RAM, I&#039;m looking at ~8% usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as an update from yesterday (since I waited a day, I technically consider this still holding true to my promise!), after having done a fair amount of browsing with 6 tabs open, visiting some media sites, etc., the Mem Usage is holding around ~180-200MB.  The sites on each tab, moreover, are all set (except obviously one) to the Firefox+Google start page.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll assume parts of this memory increase are to improve my browsing performance by caching objects in memory so that repeated use or visitation of a certain page doesn&#8217;t require reloading from site servers.  Further, I would imagine FF controls how much caching it does via its interaction with the OS and depends on each person&#8217;s memory capacity.  This would explain, as I&#8217;m sure noted by other commenters, the different usages observed across different systems.  </p>
<p>If this is the case, it would be perhaps a useful feature, if not currently available (I&#8217;ve only dabbled with the slew of configuration variables in about:config), to control the memory management more explicitly.  For instance, perhaps there could be a setting that tells FF to release memory associated with certain sites if you either don&#8217;t visit them for some time, or leave it all together.  </p>
<p>Finally, I don&#8217;t know if this is what some have done here, but it is superior to quote Mem Usage as a percent of total memory since someone with 8GB of RAM isn&#8217;t likely to care about 300MB of usage.  So with 2.5GB RAM, I&#8217;m looking at ~8% usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Squall Leonhart</title>
		<link>http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/firefox-3-is-still-a-memory-hog/#comment-450721</link>
		<dc:creator>Squall Leonhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Learn to spell before calling people Illiterate.

Actually.. Just learn.
There are multiple people within this blog commentary that have solved their memory issues, WHICH WERE CAUSED BY ROGUE AND POORLY MADE PLUGINS, among other things.

Though as with the laws of selection, some of you just fail with little to no excuse, its just a predominate trait that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learn to spell before calling people Illiterate.</p>
<p>Actually.. Just learn.<br />
There are multiple people within this blog commentary that have solved their memory issues, WHICH WERE CAUSED BY ROGUE AND POORLY MADE PLUGINS, among other things.</p>
<p>Though as with the laws of selection, some of you just fail with little to no excuse, its just a predominate trait that&#8217;s all.</p>
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