Richard Stallman Attacks the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

Richard Stallman: legendary founder of the Free Software Foundation, purveyor of the GPL, defender of open source. And – as of today – expert FUD manipulator.

Bill Gates

Obviously someone was seriously pissed off at the abundance of (largely positive) press coverage Bill Gates has been receiving as he stepped down from his final roles at Microsoft.. and it appears Mr. Stallman just couldn’t bear to let the man he hates more than any other step down without getting that last word in.

In an article by Richard Stallman published on BBC today, Stallman pulled back no punches bashing not only Bill Gates, Microsoft, and makers of proprietary software everywhere but also took the incredibly cheap shot of accusing the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation of working to ruin the very countries they’re trying to help:


Gates’ philanthropy for health care for poor countries has won some people’s good opinion. The LA Times reported that his foundation spends five to 10% of its money annually and invests the rest, sometimes in companies it suggests cause environmental degradation and illness in the same poor countries.

Richard StallmanNever mind the fact that those are unsubstantiated rumors following money trails several-hundred pockets deep – what does the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation have to do with Free Software? Is Stallman so desperate to make Mr. Gates out to be the bad guy that he’d sink this low?

Stallman, one of first people to accuse people of spreading FUD to further their opinions, doesn’t stop there:

Gates is personally identified with it, due to his infamous open letter which rebuked microcomputer users for sharing copies of his software.

It said, in effect, "If you don’t let me keep you divided and helpless, I won’t write the software and you won’t have any. Surrender to me, or you’re lost!"

Here Stallman is referring to Gates’ now-famous letter asking people illegally copying, distributing, and using Altair Basic to stop. Stallman somehow neglects to mention that – regardless of whether morally acceptable or not – Microsoft had the legal right to demand payment in exchange for their software. Ignore for a second whether or not Bill Gates and Microsoft were in the right or in the wrong to ask for payment in exchange for their work – is Richard Stallman seriously suggesting that it’s right to illegally obtain copyrighted software?

It’s one thing to say that Gates should never have charged for his software and another to say that it’s OK to use it without paying. Gates chose to ask for money, users (as Richard Stallman himself has advocated on many occasions in the past) should be looking for an alternative if they don’t want to front the cash.

Who Richard Stallman thinks he’s kidding, we don’t know. But he’s obviously crossed that line that shouldn’t be crossed; apparently desperate enough to stop Microsoft the minute he senses an opening… even if it means spreading FUD, making pointless accusations, and generally talking nonsense to get his point across. This isn’t any way for a respected figure in the open source community to act, especially not when it comes to someone who has – whether Stallman likes it or not – contributed as much to the tech community as Bill Gates has.

123 thoughts on “Richard Stallman Attacks the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

  1. There are a LOT of correct observations in the comments here including the tax shelter mentioned above.

    That’s exactly what the B&M foundation was formed for. What most Americans don’t know is that many pro athletes (and other wealthy individuals) form these same foundations (IRS 501c3) to shelter their income and all they have to do is utilize a small percentage of the revenue towards the stated goals of the organization as described to the IRS.

    I’m also the president of a board for a 501c3 charter school so I know how they are structured and how they work. What most people don’t know is that 501c3 status does NOT preclude you from making a profit. There are two types, a non-profit (B&M foundation) and a not for profit. The prior can make money and shelter it within the 501c3 (in a nut-shell).

    The other half NO ONE has caught wind of yet (not even RMS) is that the B&M foundation has a large software development team who are actively developing the B&M eCharity platform to manage individual and corporate donations. The B&M foundation is actively pushing this solution at United Way and other large charitable organizations as a middle-man product to collect and manage donations, albeit for a nominal fee. You may say, ehhh.. it’s still compulsory usage right? Not exactly… The B&M foundation is pushing hard and getting support.. When you have that kind of cash in the bank (B&M), organizations usually roll over and fall in line.

    The CEO of a TX based United Way chapter let me know that this is a MAJOR concern for them because it would centralize charitable donations that Americans normally do through payroll deductions and that cash would then flow through this B&M foundation system. This now creates a vacuum for local charities since the donations would no longer go directly to them (i.e. the local charity chapter). The local charitable organization would have to go this “company” for their money minus the handling (extortion) fees.

    Now you have the B&M foundation sitting in the middle of a $300 billion dollar transactional stream taking their cut which goes to the B&M foundation originally formed by Billy G and Warren Buffet to shelter their billions.

    You seeing the bigger picture here?? The B&M foundation is not what it’s billed as. It is a for profit center (run by a ruthless ex CEO) and they want YOUR money to go to them before going to the charity of YOUR choosing first.

  2. Neosmart at it’s best. Writing bullshit and getting ass-kicked by their own readers afterwards.

    It is so funny how RMS cites the LA Times and this gets denounced as “rumors” by the author. If he would have a closer look, he would perhaps have noticed that BBC actually referenced the well-researched LA Times article in their Related Links section.

    I thank RMS for giving this further insight. I didn’t knew much about the practice of this foundation and now was pointed to valuable sources.

    If the author of this blog post would have been a little bit open minded, he would also show some interest in these. Instead he decided to do a rushed bashing, which didn’t add any new facts to the issue at all.
    It is very common: For everything that RMS has published so far, there were always people who didn’t bother to read it with their full attention. Instead they already had their opinion set and just looked if they could find further “proof” of it.

  3. Honestly, if BillG had the charity fund for purely IRS-related reasons, why would he abandon his post at Microsoft to work at the B&M Foundation?

    (Don’t tell me he no longer enjoys work or its because he knows MS is on the road to failure – Microsoft is his baby, and he loves it…. and it’ll be his legacy)

  4. There is a little confusion about software copyright and the letters from Bill Gates to hobbyists in 1976. No doubt Mr. Stallman’s direct rhetoric is an easy target, but please get beyond that. You state,

    “Here Stallman is referring to Gates? now-famous letter asking people illegally copying, distributing, and using Altair Basic to stop. Stallman somehow neglects to mention that ? regardless of whether morally acceptable or not ? Microsoft had the legal right to demand payment in exchange for their software.”

    The following sites have the letters from Gates to the Homebrew Compuer Club. Note that this club actively shared information in order to start the personal computer revolution.

    http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newsletters/homebrew/V2_…
    http://www.startupgallery.org/gallery/notesViewer.php?ii=76_…

    As you can see, Mr Gates simply refers to the copying and reuse of the interpreter code as “theft” and does not say anything about copyright infringement. Why not?

    The site

    http://digital-law-online.info/lpdi1.0/treatise17.html

    details the history of computer software copyright law in the U.S. In 1976, the Copyright Office accepted computer tapes as required registration of copyright for computer software programs. However, Micro-Soft at the time did not distribute the paper tapes independently from Altair. Copyright of computer software was still uncertain because of the idea that mathematical algorithms could not be copyrighted. Also, BASIC was invented not by Mr Gates and Paul Allen but at Dartmouth and it is not clear what Micro-Soft copied from earlier workers in order to prove originality–this point never arose. It was not until later that CONTU resolved some of the questions about copyrighting software, but at the time of these letters they were not resolved, and in point of fact as you can see from the letter’s text, Mr Gates did not refer to copyright, and it is not certain that in spite of your assertions, he could have done so legally. It has always been strange that in order to use a copyrighted program on one’s computer one must copy it into memory first, so there has always been difficulty in settling copyright for software Perhaps you are extrapolating 1998 back to 1976?

    A second point related to the letters is apparent from these quotations:

    In the first letter, Mr. Gates writes, “Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free?” Mr Gates felt, and still apparently feels, that good software must be “professional,” that is, by large centralized companies of experts, and never by small, decentralized self-assemblies of parttime volunteers such as the Homebrew club or Richard Stallman’s followers. He felt that the software must be sold in order at least to pay the labor, or it would not be done. You can judge for yourself whether Mr Gates’s prediction has become true or not, or whether or not Mr. Stallman was justified in responding to the challenge.

    And in the second letter, Mr. Gates wrote, “In discussing software, I don’t want to leave out the most important aspect, viz., the exchange of those programs less complex than interpreters or compilers that can be written by hobbyists and shared at little or no cost. I think this is the foreseeable future, literally thousands of such programs will be available through user libraries.” Mr. Gates was evidently not in principle opposed to users writing and sharing programs, as the free software movement has done, but simply asked to be rewarded for writing the BASIC interpreter used to write and run the programs. One of the responses from the Homebrew club was to announce the development of a TinyBASIC interpreter for free, and of course Mr. Stallman spent even more time writing the gcc compiler for C under Gnu, which made possible all the “programs less complex than interpreters or compilers” running under Gnu and then Gnu/Linux, and that were indeed released for free. Of course, Mr. Gates when his company later sold compiled programs for sale did resort to releasing them without source code, thus making them not so useful for those who wanted to reuse them on their computers. You can judge for yourself whether Mr. Gates’s second letter was sufficient response to the hobbyists.

    Finally, there is the matter of the foundation and medical work it sponsors. You seem to think Mr. Stallman’s remarks were simply spiteful and irrelevant, but it is part and parcel of the difference between the philosophies represented by Mr. Gates and Mr. Stallman. The Gates Foundation is very powerful and some in the business of delivering medical care to Africa believe it might have too strong an influence on decisions such as whether or which vaccine or treatment should be made available for malaria and other diseases, or other problems in other areas. Money might decide, but in this case the money is not really in the hands of the scientists nor the sufferers, but some remote Western foundation. Can it be trusted any more than Microsoft can be trusted in the software field? Or, instead, should the money and effort be directed from the bottom up rather than the top down, in a more decentralized way, similar to the free software movement that Mr. Stallman started? Ask yourself why it is still so difficult to direct research toward preventing cancer instead of expensive drugs for cancer, is it a matter of money for corporate profit, or what?

    One has to get beyond the personalities and the anger and think about the underlying issues, clarify the history, and promote discussion, as these issues from 1976 will not soon be resolved. Thanks for promoting the discussion here.

  5. Bill Gates created his charity organization to give himself a better image. He won’t stop trying to dominate the world with his proprietary operating systems. Bill Gates hasn’t retired, he just works less hours now.

    When we all depend in Windows, MS will have the power to control us as they see fit. I don’t understand how some people idolize Microsoft and think they are a charitable organization. MS has no association with the Bill and Melinda Gates charity organization. And even though it does help MS, MS itself isn’t a charity.

    Their mission is to dominate the market, control it and squeeze as much money as they can out of it. Even if this means letting people pirate their software for a while or selling it for a ridiculously small amount of money just to rise it’s popularity. Even if this means creating a whole charity organization to better their public image.

    When MS has 100% market share, who will decide what’s it’s software’s price? A market that is split fairly into several competitors will ultimately give the customer the best products and prices. I think as of today MS has an unfair amount of market share and hope someday the market will be more divided and competitive.

  6. Argghh why can’t people just accept the fact that Miscrosoft’s first priority is, just like any other company out there, to make money? And of course they would want to donate to research which would ultimately benefit them later on…..it’s a win-win.

  7. Well, I like free software, and I donate a loooot (!) to those who do it, but I’m starting to become very annoyed with this conspiracy theories on Gates (and now the man’s wife ??!, FFS!).
    I’m quiting Linux, bunch o’ freaks.

    Sorry.

    /takes out tin foil hat/

  8. Don’t know who Richard Stallman is, but being from Seattle and having had dealings with Microsoft and local knowledge of the Gates family, have to believe Stallman is one big slime bucket. The Gates family, starting with Bill’s father & mother, were and are people truly concerned for and with their community. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation extended that concern to the world. If Mr. Stallman believes otherwise, he obviously has his head where that ol’ sun don’t shine Having worked in a number of programs to help seniors and others learn computers, I was the recipient of Microsoft’s assistance on a number of programs. It was given freely and without strings. There is no doubt Microsoft is in business to make money and they play hardball, as do most successful companies in this business. But the company also does a lot of good for a lot of people without looking for a lot of media attention.

    Than you NeoSmart for exposing Stallman for being the bottom feeder he is.

  9. He is correct in the very roots of the argument. As a matter of fact it is the roots of which that B. Gates had taken advantage of to attain a chargable product in the software industry. One in which he created.
    However, HE nor anyone else in fact, has the right to change the law for others to forcefully follow suite. And this has in fact happened and is perpetuating. The GPL is facilitating advancment and awareness, not as fast as popular litigatory forces though.
    the laws have been manipulated toward monopolization. This actually is or was originally an illegality. This reminds me of the drug companies and pill hill$.
    The same method. The goal is to copyright the necessity item. One that everyone actually needs.
    Fact: Closed source benefits from their colsed source world and the open source world as well. Open source only benefits from the later. You see it a door that swings 1 way. Microsoft can steal from you and does. You’d think they’d return the the favor?
    Americans do not understand their own laws! Americans do not understand their own rights. This is facilitating the slow and steady removal of them!

  10. Did any one research the real purpose of the so called charitable foundation. Is it so aulturistic and philanthropic after all? Or is it as the ones in the financial know indicate, just a tax shelter for preserving capital, and it is really the tax payer “again” who really pays????

  11. I want to open NGO like you foundation. if you kindly help me about this perpose that is fully computerise

  12. Acually i want to serve to my country that Bangladesg computerise program and prosper in every poor men, women, boy, girls organizise by your Foundation If you kindly help me about this. You can every think becouise you are number one rich men. You have ability to the every poor country for develope.
    So i have requet to you please kindly help or attantion to me about this. i have back ground i have completed master degree in management and have worked in The City Bank Ltd for 15 years in bangladesh. I have knowledge about computer Banking and others.
    You are king of the World.Your microsoft is a bigest company in the World.
    If you kindly help me about this so i can prosper every poor men, women, boy, girls organizise by your Foundation in my country.

    Thanking you
    Md. Rezaul Karim

  13. It is truly dumb of you to criticize Stallman for talking about Bill Gates & his wife (and the so called foundation) when he was asked by BBC to write about Gates’ retirement.
    And for all of you who compare ‘Free Software’ with a ‘Free Straw with a juice’-Thats exactly what Microsoft does (Refer: Express editions of MS.)
    (You get a straw which has no use without the juice)

    ‘Free’ in ‘Free Software’ can be compared to ‘Freedom of Speech. ‘
    All of us quote from interesting phrases/sentences of famous people, be it from their speeches/books or even articles.
    Would you like to pay copyright charges everytime you reuse the phrase?

    Acknowledging the work is acceptable and a welcomed gesture, but do you expect to be charged for repeating the statements just becouse you liked them?

    I seriously hope you Prop. Software freaks rethink on how much of ‘Pirated content’ you have in your very systems?. I bet you either carry pirated proprietary software or free software.

    I challenge you to renounce Free softwares in your system and buy all Proprietary software.

  14. Well, Ubuntu is much better than Windows. Me and my friends has switch to Ubuntu. Why should we debate about what has Bill done. Let’s leave him alone.

    This is my opinion. No offence.

  15. Linus Torvalds is a great example of the Open Source Software community members should think and behave. He uses open source because it does his job for him pretty well and keeps his bank account in great shape. It is nothing personal against Microsoft or other big-name proprietary software companies, engineers or users. It is not political fight; especially to the extend of trying to hurt charity. I am a heavy user of proprietary software and create software using it; only because it helps me do my job well and puts bread on the table. I respect Richard Stallman brillance as an organizer and programmer, but his ideas on Open Source is ridiculous.

  16. First of all stallman is not part of the open source movement, he is part of the Free Software Movement.
    He never had a problem with charging for software, by free he means it should respect your freedom.
    Microsoft have being knowing to bully countries such as Brazil
    In our modern world we have over capitalism, not everything should be for sale.
    The economy works against humanity and not for it (poor people get poorer)

    Microsoft are evil, they are hypocrites. Microsoft does things to hurt the countries their own funded foundation work for
    Stallman is eccentric at times but those goes for all true geniuses. He stands up for what he believes in

  17. The article you wrote is a shame really. Next time do a little research. Otherwise you will find yourself showing off how ignorant you are.

    Don’t even think that this post is pure rant. It is not meant to insult the author of this article. It’s rather an advice. It is evident that this article is misleading, and that the author of it is *completely misinformed*.

  18. I’m very sorry to say so – future will tell us that Mr. Stallman is right.

    It’s not the intention of the gates-foundation that’s bad – it’s the way they’re interfering into what other organizations are doing.

    How much Taxes did Microsoft pay in the past? Not much – i can be sure about that.
    In fact for no taxes – the foundation has only to spend a few % of it’s income – and the worst of it all – Bill still gets control of what’s inside the foundation – the microsoft shares and tons of other financial stuff.

    Why is his rich friend Warren B. interested in this foundation? Maybe for tax evasion too? If you give money away you don’t want to stay in control – that’s real wellfare!

  19. I disagree. Look more closely. Most of his arguments are correct, even though they don’t seem to at first sight.

    Is wireless really needed for anything?
    Do you need to use a web browser to use the internet?
    Are you sure it is harmful to be fucked when you want to be fucked?
    Does spending $287m mean BG cannot possibly have spent $3000m more on business?

    By the way; if you want a reason to hate the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation all you need to do is check out the delivery date of the food sent to those countries
    You’ll find that it is about the same time the local food supply is ready for harvest.

  20. It’s a year old article, but I suspect you’ll be getting new visitors (like me) after it was just linked to in Bryan Lunduke’s blog. Looking at a years worth of responses is amazing. Evil? Eugenics!? But even in this cesspool Alex Belits post of July 6 2008 deserves some sort of special mention. “Scale of wrongdoing that come close to Nazi ‘accomplishments’” Wow! Your Jewish ancestors may have had to face extinction in Hitler’s death camps, but you, you have endured the nightmare of living in a world where a man got rich selling software without including the source code.

    “Directly responsible for at least 2-3 decades of delay in development of computer technology” Right, because *nothing* has happened in the field of computer technology in the last two or three decades Microsoft has been in business. Let me remind you the FSF started in 1984. Why haven’t they advanced technology to the point where “hundreds of millions of lives would be saved” yet?

  21. The Gates Millennium Scholarship fund excludes Caucasians from receiving any benefits. It is only for people of color. What a racist scumbag Gates is. Most of his money was made from stupid White people buying Windoze crap. Talk about stabbing your own kind in the back!

  22. How would people feel about a foundation that only benefits White people? There would be outrage! But it’s ok for people like Gates to EXCLUDE White people from his foundation? I think we need more rich White people to set up foundations that only benefit White people and since they are private there’s not a damn thing Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton can do about it. It’s time to fight back against blatant racism against Whites.

  23. In India everything is free, whether its microsoft or adobe or GNU. Western world may call it piracy, but ‘piracy’ is not a word in Indian dictionary.

    Thank you all.. Enjoy free life, free software..

  24. Using my computer yesterday I experienced what appears to be an official Microsoft altert that someone had registered my copy of Windows which I have been using for years. As such I would be required to give my credit card information as well as other details from my personal finances.

    This doesn?t sound like my problem. This sounds like a Microsoft problem, and to require me to divulge this information simply to continue using this PC is inappropriate. It even went as far as asking for my ATM PIN, a totally inappropriate request and one that suggests I should distrust this message.

    And Microsoft.

    Everyone recognizes the changes at Microsoft since Bill Gates left and many understand what this signifies. Even so, with an experience like this I will be purchasing my next computer product at my local Apple store.

    Hugo Scherzberg

    Windows XP Professional

    Product key::::

    T7263-9HRBH-QVF6W-78XP2-RDHBY

    Other numbers from the Windows hologram label::::

    ot7570

    00045-548-852-912

    X10-60256

  25. Richard Stallman is NOT a defender of open-source ! He is AGAINST sneaky open-source ideology.

  26. Why don’t you do some real research, and some real journalism?  You are probably too young to know what went on 25 years ago.  If you want to see a copy of the letter, I got one, but you know all the pissing match copyright and proprietary stuff that goes down now, because of the personal biases of people like Bill Gates, I can’t post it.(1) Gates originally took existing works of hobbyists, it was not all his original creation.  (2) Gates wanted to use the work of Open Source contributors in MS proprietary works but the OS license prevents that.  (3) Never trust anybody that talks out of both sides of their mouth.  (4) You loose all creditability accusing other people of being “thieves” when you steal yourself.QUOTE from Bills letter: “Why is this? As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you steal your software.  Hardware must be paid for, but software is something to share.  Who cares if the people who worked on it get paid?”Stallman, rabid that he might seem, has always been consistent with his position.  THAT THE CONCEPT OF OWNING AN IDEA IS RIDICULOUS.  Todays science is ever more coming to the conclusion that thoughts and ideas are not generated by individuals, but are inherent in the make up of the UNIVERSE.  They have been there all along, just like radio waves.  So saying that I own an idea is SELFISHNESS in the extreme.Maybe you should look into the industry of “disinformation”, the making of something look different than it actually is.  Or even making something look the very opposite of what it actually is.  The creating of a public perception bias, or brainwashing of the unaware. What do you thing “advertising” is?   So maybe look deeper into this “foundation?” and follow the money, the contributors, the tax breaks, the investments that the foundation makes.  Is it really a “charity” or a way to hide money from the Tax Man?  Do some real journalism.

  27. In the paragraph I wrote up, I miss the word that I really intend to write, when I say “but in any way it denies” I really must to say “but in no way it denies”… Just for the record. I think a lot of water runs since then, and that still pushing the dague inside on this matter is absolutely absurd. Bigpicture is Ok, The waves of information (or better sayed “misinformation”???)in the web uses to be another move of the marketing-oriented people that works for the companies that allow that kind of crap in the world. No matter they could have a profile in the most liberal forums they are all the same shxx. So why have worried by that?  Live your life and do what you know that’s right, THAT is what really counts, not the flaming here.

  28. Sorry I mismatch a key and post my name wrong previously, I’m CLEAN SOUND, not CLEAR. Thanks and greetings for all. :)

  29. Stallman is a jackass. Plain and Simple. End of story. Requesting money for your service has turned into a crime.

  30. First of all stallman is not part of the open source movement, he is part of the Free Software Movement.
    He never had a problem with charging for software, by free he means it should respect your freedom.
    Microsoft have being knowing to bully countries such as Brazil
    In our modern world we have over capitalism, not everything should be for sale.
    The economy works against humanity and not for it (poor people get poorer)

    Microsoft are evil, they are hypocrites. Microsoft does things to hurt the countries their own funded foundation work for
    Stallman is eccentric at times but those goes for all true geniuses. He stands up for what he believes in

  31. The author is a stupid. He has not done his research well.

    Who knows if he was funded my microsoft to write this supporting them?

    This article is absolute nonsense.

  32. The Gates Millennium Scholarship fund excludes Caucasians from receiving any benefits. It is only for people of color. What a racist scumbag Gates is. Most of his money was made from stupid White people buying Windoze crap. Talk about stabbing your own kind in the back..

  33. For all you cheap knuckle-heads out there who want free software, get a life and a job! There’s plenty of free software out there now. If people don’t want to pay for the use of software, then they shouldn’t use it. And why does Microsoft have to provide free software, Apple doesn’t give you free copies of their OS or their other utilities. Get real!!

  34. Did any one research the real purpose of the so called charitable foundation. Is it so aulturistic and philanthropic after all? Or is it as the ones in the financial know indicate, just a tax shelter for preserving capital, and it is really the tax payer “again” who really pays????

  35. Can’t help but wonder, who covers Stallman’s living expenses? If he has given everything away free, as he professes, he is either a trust-fund baby living off the backs of his parents/grandparents or is living on welfare. Those of us who need to make a living do, in fact, have to charge for services rendered whether we’re hookers or software engineers. Does anyone know?

  36. And I too, have issues about where Gates’ money is going. Many people in America, especially now, could use the help of the Financial Elite. Why do so many white folk eschew the rights and needs of other white folk?

  37. From Cesar up there: “Stallman is eccentric at times but those goes for all true geniuses. He stands up for what he believes in.”

    Thank you. I am eccentric at times. I stand for what I believe in, much to the chagrin of my family. Apparently I have ADD. Or EDD. Which is it?

    Does this mean I’m a genius?

    That’s splendid. Then it is NOT for naught.

    Bless You.

  38. Let’s call a spade a spade here. The Gates Foundation is a charitable front for increasing the reach of the Microsoft brand and products. Everytime they make a large donation who do you think looks good and somehow gets their technology in the mix? Microsoft. Is the foundation giving away iPads, Macs or tablets with Chrome on it? Uh, no folks, and that’s no accident.

  39. I notice a lot of unfounded claims going back and forth regarding both Richard Stallman AND the Melinda Gates foundation. I think if anybody is arguing for any side with claims such as “Oh but they’re excluding whites from the foundation” and what is in various letters, they should provide evidence that this is occurring.

    Fighting FUD with even more FUD is really not going to get anybody anywhere.

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