Please note: that this sort of post is what the losers at 4Chan get a kick out of and look forward to seeing, it's clear that they get a perverse sort of pleasure out of hearing these complaints, but isn't possible for anyone with a shred of dignity to let events like this go without speaking.
4Chan, a group of immature script-kiddies that anonymously post online and organize "attacks" against various groups, organizations, and websites, are it again. This time, it's not the Church of Scientology they're attacking, but innocent children. As the BBC reports, members of 4Chan have been uploading videos containing explicit sexual content in droves to YouTube today, specifically targeting children.
The videos uploaded by members of 4Chan consisted of children's clips that start off innocently enough, showing cartoons and other rated-G material usually targeted at children around 5 years old, but soon enough change to videos of adults engaged in sexual activity. 4Chan has the uncanny ability to strike a nerve, driving even the most liberal of internet users to condemn their behavior as pure evil. The problem is, the anonymous 4Chan members are perversely motivated by this sort of response, and cannot be shamed into bringing an end to their disgusting activities.
This isn't the first time 4Chan does something that can only be described as pure evil. In March of 2008, 4Chan members flooded an internet board for victims of epilepsy with fast-moving and colorful images intending - and succeeding - in bringing about photosensitive seizures in visitors to the site. The last attack was carefully planned to occur just over the Easter weekend, guaranteeing less moderator activity on the forum and giving the attackers a bigger window of opportunity to maximize their damage.
The difference between the behavior that 4Chan engages in and what just about every other script kiddy organization on the web does is that 4Chan doesn't do it to prove a point. They don't do it just to prove they can, they do it to hurt. And the malicious intent makes all the difference. The internet isn't the best place to pride yourself in holding the moral high ground, but in cases like this, it's near impossible to understand just what it is that makes people like this tick.
Obviously there is no clear solution to bringing about the end of groups like 4Chan, but someone needs to do something, or else we're all guilty of standing by and letting evil go.
I think that people like the writer of this article is what keeps these scripting groups going. His outrage is palpable and it can be rather amusing to see how hysterical many people get at the very idea of some children being exposed to human nudity and reproductive activity. If you happen to be the kind of person that doesn't instinctively view human nudity and sexuality as "evil", it is much easier to grasp the motivation behind these acts.
I am Anonymous, I find this hilarious.
the epilepsy thing was "soooo" not right. this isn't so good either.
This sounds like an pubic attack from the Church of Scientology members to 4chan ;).
whiny little faggot rofl
Those 4chan fags are always trying to take the credit ebaums world deserves, this was an ebaums attack, and the 4chan fags just took the credit.
This is why people like us hack into their sites and DDoS 4chan. They make a bad name for real hackers.
I don't usually comment on blogs, but I feel that people should know this. 4chan was, is, and will always be composed of skiddies. This is why people like us hack their sites and DDoS 4chan and other such boards. They make a bad name for real hackers, and execute stunts that bring attention to hackers. We don't like that. Don't mistake us for them.
Annon newfags are newfags.
This pleases me.
Biscuit are you serious? I have no problem with my young children seeing naked bodies (usually mine or their mothers, or at the beach), but imbedding HARDCORE PORN into you tube clips is sick. Young children wont understand and relate to it in anyway. It has no value to children that young. It could very well scare them and harm them emotionally. I only feel sorry for these 4chan people, or ebaums, and allothers like them. They probably had very poor child hoods, broken homes, crackhead/drunk/addict parents who never supervised them or taught them right from wrong.
mitch g: do you really think that childrens that "had very poor child hoods, broken homes, crackhead/drunk/addict parents who never supervised them or taught them right from wrong" would have the willing to make that??? the persons that you describe, are people who use internet to view fotologs, facebook, youtube, and so many others, they dont care about 4chan cause they cant undestand the memes and think that is a waste of time, 4chan comunity is embeded by people that are beyond good and evil, a stupid person (that growed up in the conditions you mentioned) cant understand that there is no goodess or evilness, 4chan is a page to do things without imortants reasons, its for fun, yes, damage epilectic for fun, only that, if you enter in 4chan you will see the first place where the mind is dirctly there and not the thougts...
and if a kid watch porn it dont damage his mind, the damage is done when somebody tells him that its wrong, like christians parents...
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Can't handle it? GTFO my internet.
They do it for the "lulz", IE for shits and grins. Minimal effort for maximum returns (returns in this case being their own amusement).
It's fucked up, but so is the increasing trend of kids going out and killing people because they're homeless: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1018/p09s03-coop.html http://hpn.asu.edu/archives/2008-May/011281.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10834294/ http://www.tomatopages.com/folsomforum/index.php?showtopic=11843 http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/19/homeless.attacks/index.html
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather have kids post porn onto youtube than go out wino-rolling; at least with youtube the damage is reversible, and no one dies.
My only response to this blog is....read rule 19
People who think it's okay for children to watch porn are SICK in the head. It's also amounts to abuse and It's not okay period. There's nothing wrong with sex. However. Children do not process information in the same way as adult do. They also don't the life experiences of adults either. It also promotes sexual abuse among children. Porn films also give the notion that women are there just to be used. It warps minds. There's too many perverts as it is. We don't want to be creating anymore thank you very much. Obviously 4chan do things that are morally wrong because they know it will cause a reaction. Whoever says that it's okay, is way out of line and proves my and others point that they are just Bad apples or worst rotten to the core.
Nick Logan:
STFU. You don't know what you're talking about.
i never heard of hiding porn on youtube, but it's funny.
by the way, 4chan doesn't organize these "attacks" for the purpose of hurting people. frankly, we do it because it's freaking hilarious.
4chan just proves that working together is possible, but only for a negative (or positive, in anon's case) result.
4chan is like a child, or animal. if you ignore it, it stops pissing people off. however, all these articles are doing is feeding "the trolls" or "internet hate machines". and by writing these articles, you are only motivating 4chan do more malicious things. you are, in fact, a part of these attacks.
personally, i can't wait for the next thing anon will do.
yawn
We are the warm little centre of the internet, and you need us. We do it for the lulz.
Not all of 4chan users are 'script kiddies.' That's like me saying that all members of this website are f'ing idiots.
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This is hilarious. If you don't find it so, there is something wrong with you.
On a more serious note, this just goes to show internet security sucks. How do you expect to deal with actual ENEMIES if you can't deal with a large group of bored teenagers?
You should thank us for not letting you get lazy. :D
Also, "attacks" like these are so fun it should be a crime! owait...
>In March of 2008, 4Chan members flooded an internet board for victims of epilepsy with >fast-moving and colorful images intending - and succeeding - in bringing about >photosensitive seizures in visitors to the site. ??? The quote is a claim, not a proven fact. IMHO, the epilepsy incident was both too clever and too cruel to have been a 4chan launched raid.
also, see http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Epilepsy_Foundation (warning, not for epileptics)
@Anonymiss thankyou for making my point!
Children accidentally watching like a minute of porn on youtube will NOT affect them in any way. one commenter said "Children do not process information in the same way as adult do. They also don't the life experiences of adults either." and you are absolutely correct! However, it will NOT warp their sexuality and turn them into perverts who think little of women because they think completely different from adults. You are an adult which is why you believe it will turn them into perverts. Kids can't relate to it so therefore they won't know what is going on, they have not matured and won't find it sexually stimulating so they won't get addicted, enjoy it, or even be remotely interested. Adults, though most are intelligent enough to just enjoy the porn and realize the difference between that and reality, some aren't as smart and believe that since they are adults they can handle it but are mistaken and THEY are the ones who become perverts and think little of women. From my own experience, when i was little i was just browsing the web and i came across some hardcore porn, at the time I thought it was kinda weird and didn't really know what it was about, so i just left that page and continued browsing. When i looked back on that i realized it was some pretty hardcore stuff but i'm fine. I am 14 years old now and i have been watching porn since I was 11 (and i know lots of other people that have too) and I am perfectly fine, I am not perverted and I respect women as equals, i understand that what i am seeing in porn is entirely different from how reality is. Of course all the adults here will classify me as a stupid teenager who thinks they are smart when they are not. Well we teenagers are obviously smarter than you if you think that even just a nude person is evil and will warp peoples minds. It has happened many times i am sure and nobody's minds have gotten warped. Also, about the seizure thing, you cant justify this was 4chan and i don't believe it was, 4chan doesn't do anything for harm, its just harmless for laughs. Thanks for reading, if you don't agree, get off the internet.
Anonymous is watching you.
I don't think porn warps kids minds: When I was 8 years old I watched a VHS tape of porn in it's entirity, it had everything, and did nothing for me. All that I got from the video was that women have these dark holes and men can shoot milk from their "P P".
I never watched porn again until I hit shocker puberty! That's when I was masturbating 3 times a day, and not even to porn, to anything, to TV, to pictures of women in my textbooks.
Kids now have cell phones and they text nude pictures of them selves to each other, there's a whole world of kiddie porn going around and the only users are kids. Because kids from the ages of 13-18 are horny freaks and they need to express that some how.
As for 4chan, they're kids with nothing better to do, at least they're home and not outside spray painting, getting drunk, high, robbing, hanging out with gangs, or getting pregnant... which most 13-18 year olds do.
btw, you just lost The Game.
Uploading porn on to youtube clips intended for children is like putting laxatives in Halloween candy. It's just cruel. Still I think the focus should be on the INDIVIDUALS doing this and not 4Chan. Blaming sites like 4Chan takes the emphasis off the specific people who are doing these things, allowing them to remain anonymous, while attacking the curious souls who just want to view tattoos of genitalia of people foreheads in the privacy of there own homes.
I think neosmart should close this thread. It's getting seriously ridiculous. It's begining to looking a perverts forum. So consider me unsubcribed. You jack off teenagers can carry on. Talking about your porn. It's obvously affected you. Duh! I hope one day you'll be able to pick yourselves out of the gutter, screw your "know it all" heads on, and be adult enough to admitt that some of you attitutes and thoughts were wrong. As for the rest of you good luck.
I think neosmart should close this thread. It's getting seriously dumbed down. It's beginning to look like a myspace forum. Consider me unimpressed. You arrogant soccer moms can carry on talking about controlling the internet like it's cozy suburbia, it's obvious you've been affected by priorities such as "WARNING: HOT" on your coffee and taking "God" out of the pledge. I hope one day someone gets the pwn they deserve for complaining about the anti-child atmosphere of a bar or ghetto. Screw the "conform to me" attitude and be human enough to admit that there are places in the world - no, you can't handle the world outside your bubble. I can hear the "The police should be doing something!" already. You don't even need to go to a third world country.
Oh, and mocking poor posturing isn't justifying anonymous, by the way. I don't think anyone is. I just can't let "it's obvious I'm right", "one day you'll see I'm right", "be adult enough to see I'm right" slide.
Seriously people, "I want to talk to your supervisor!" doesn't work on the internet. If the neighborhood kids decided to egg your car you could b and moan all you want to whoever you want but the reality is bored kids and vulnerable property have been around a lot longer than you have. Quit pretending virtual bored kids are seriuss bizness, there really are kids out there killing homeless for no reason - do I have to bring up threeguysonehammer? Go whine about something that really matters, like the number of handicap access ramps at 7-11. At least there's someone in charge.
OMG mike u are totaly spot on just like many of the anonmo's.i am a teen , 13 nearly 14 and have been watching porn from .... cant remember exactly when but a long time ago. and there aint nothin wrong with me either!. in year 6 i got most outstanding student of the year award,i got hight in my naplan and im not a nerd.
Also if porn concerns people because they think that there kids will get the wrong idea then they sould f@ckin sit down and tell there kids the right idea!(probably the most uncomfortable conversation they will have but still very necasary). let them do it if they want but tell em to use common sense.
and as for porn on youtube.. im going there now to try find it ;)
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The people doing this are evil, evil....
Cos I didnt know anything about 4chan, I read up on them and what they get up to, from their wiki entry:
"Dusty the cat
In mid-February 2009, two videos featuring the physical abuse of a domestic cat named Dusty by Kenny Glenn, who was calling himself "Timmy" were posted on YouTube. The 4chan community, outraged by the abuse, was able to track down the originator of the videos, a fourteen-year-old from Oklahoma, and passed his details to his local police department. As a result of this, a suspect was arrested and the cat was treated by a vet and taken to a safe place."
Just adding a little perspective. Trying to catagorise a vast community, with divergent tastes and interests, into a single box of "evil immature script kiddies", is deeply, deeply retarded....
Whether exposure to explcit sexual intercourse harms preadolescent kids has been the subject of scientific research. Look it up e.g. at Kinsey website.
I think biscuit is wrong. If a person is being raised by someone who views sexuality and nudity as evil, it will be hard for the person to deal with such things on their own all at once due to 4chan's workings. It would be better if 4chan simply showed nudists engaged in sunbathing on a rocky beach on the black sea and applying suntan lotion and protective sunglasses, than to show adults engaged in sexual behaviors from the get-go.
Even if someone could assume that 4chan can 'get' to all of it's target market at once, and then progress to showing animals engaged in reproduction and then the human-animal nude and then engaged in reproduction, it would be a mistake. They could not control whether a person happened to come upon their materials in the middle of their 'lessons'. They could not ensure even a measured, planned curriculum even if they offered it in stages with appropriate labels and tags. There would always be a person who only just THAT day, got a computer or internet access and would happen upon the last 'lesson'.
It would be better to allow for self-discovery of certain things based on the person's curiosity. Sometimes there is a need to make the person aware of certain things before the person 'happens' to develop a curiosity on their own, due to the nature of the world. There is no gain from overloading a person beyond their socio-sexual maturity level.
4chan has no way of knowing whether a person viewing the materials has either learned a healthy viewpoint from it's parents or has Not, and would be stigmatized by it from the incorrect actions or responses of a parent who does view such things as evil. Among such responses would be punishments, or lectures espousing 'incorrect' viewpoints such as 'johnny is bad if he isn't a good religious person and watches such things' or 'johnny cannot touch himself anymore' or 'johnny did something BAD'. If a person hasn't learned healthy viewpoints from his parents, it would STILL be better to not have been exposed to 4chans materials, simply than to even temporarily shield the person from the possible incorrect responses and teachings of such a parent.
Once satisfied, the curious person may then opt to simply watch cartoons, as their interest is a mental one and not driven by hormones. Once back to cartoons the curious person is then assaulted with unnecessary overkill with 4chans doctored videos and is either annoyed and let down because the cartoon is interrupted, or is only slightly further 'educated' with things they probably know something about. It is 4chan's mistake to assume that a curious person has not seen Something of this nature, given the current state of the internet. It is not doing any harm, other than to most likely Push the sexual education of some of the curious beyond their current scope.
4chan should take a lesson from the self-led weaning method of breast feeding. The desire to grow up and drink like everyone else does from a bottle or a sippy-cup and then a glass happens at the person's own pace. Stopping it forcefully or without graceful steps only causes problems.
Perhaps someone in 4chan needed to have had nicer, more understanding parents, or a better childhood. It's not too late 4chan, stop it and grow up already, and let the curious watch what they Want to watch...
Keep feeding the fire. You're just encouraging our lulzy behavior, which apparently can be interpreted as "evil". This is a common misconception, as Anonymous is indifferent toward the suffering of others.
The internet is srs busns.
And this is shocking to a society that inculcates youth with the fallacious notion that "choice is justification" how exactly?
"it's ok if you choose to fornicate" -- wrong
"it's ok if you choose to use pornography" -- wrong
"it's ok if you choose to download" -- wrong
"it's ok if you choose to tolerate evil actions" -- wrong
Is it yet time to return to the values of America's founding fathers?
Time to start making vids for YouTube. This sounds like a great idea!
This is such a bias article. Just talk about it don't say things like (quotes) "this sort of post is what the losers at 4Chan get a kick out of and look forward to seeing", "a group of immature script-kiddies" and so forth. I'm not saying that what Anon did wasn't bad, but if you don't mind me saying so, stop being such a whiny little bitch. Just report on it, don't add what you think are "accurate" remarks about stuff. How this article is written just makes me want to support them because you can't seem to write for shit.
This is a blog, not CNN. It's meant to be biased. Deal with it.
@"that coment was so stupid..."
You are wrong: porn has nothing to do with erotica, not even sex. Yourself have been mislead into thinking that "porn is a natural thing", extending that idea to "thus porn cannot harm children who don't know evil from good unless we tell them that it's evil"... Such a binary view is worst than religiously fundamentalist binary thinking by the way, since it pretends to be libertarian however trying to justify itself by using the same twisted and convoluted rhetorics... Porn is NOT nudity nor erotica nor sex in any ways, it's a twisted representation of VIOLENT behavior, which itself has nothing to do with any animal instinct if you'd want to argue on that level...
Your alias being like judging someone else's view of the matter, I'd say that not only you are stupid, but as such you'd be someone quite dangerous. I really hope you don't have any child...
This is an absolute outrage, how dare people be so mindless and disturbing, please can someone tell me how these scum bags get away with this, I have young children and I would be mortified if they came across anything like this, and it will scare a child for life. There has to be something in place to stop this obscene thing 4chan are doing !
A lot of English sheep-shaggers use 4chan. This was reported on in slashdot.
The "lulz"... just as fun as burning other people's car, breaking windows, and so on. Poeple doing such things in real life are proud of themselves, taking it as a challenge, facing the world, yet they're just screw ups. Quite the same on the Internet.
Fuck i lost.
That said.
For anti 4 anon: 4chan is hilarious and is soooo much more than just a bunch of bored teenagers wanting to hurt people. I mean there is a HARD CORE PORN section. THink of that? didnt think so. Anyways, there is also papercraft and fashion. Do some research, then come back and suck my dick.
for 4 anon: Boxxy?
all your SOUL is belong to 4CHAN.
Hahaha lulz You faggots are funny. I am Anonymous. I am an Internet Hate Machine. I nevar forgive. I nevar forget. This is only one of many assaults to come. Expect to be hearing from me soon. -Anonymous.
It's when we start sending exploding vans that you really have to buy a dog to protect yourself against the internet hate machine. Oh, btw, better make sure this website is protected by 7 passwords otherwise it is gonna be taken down by us hackers on steroids.
When you watch Fox News, everything seems scary. However if you actually talked to us you would see that we aren't that bad.
haha i loled so hard when i read this. 4Chan members flooded an internet board for victims of epilepsy with fast-moving and colorful images WIN! OP FAIL!
Its obvious/common sense that hiding pornography within child clip is sick.
Newfag
Hahahahaaaa
Writer of article is a kid.
@Nick Logan: Fuck you chattin', nigger? Women ARE there just to be used.
Ebaums forever, fuck the Chans for stealing our lulz.
Wow. This is "I'm twelve year old and what is this" all over again.
Stuff like that is just fun and games to 4chan. They figure the kids will be seeing stuff like that soon enough in today's society, and the worst part is, it's true. I've heard of kindergarteners having sex, and 6 year olds knowingly burning down buildings, and who do we blame when stuff like that happens? 4chan, but if we really look, we can see it's things like the morals instilled in children by Rap and Hip-Hop, as well as bad parenting. The parents these days should have all right to just smack a kid if he is disrespectful, but laws that prevent this are making this world worse.
So, in other words, 4chan is just the aftermath of the other problems of the world created by people like us.
4chan is hilarious.
Obviously he is angry that he was considered a newfag when entering 4chan grounds and thus shunned by all users. Faggot.
I cant belive all the bullshit people say weather its boreder line child porn or not there is no border line child porn either it is or it's not bottom line there is no in between either its good or evil so choose wisely its your choice those who use Gods children 4 sex is not the truth im not trying to kill game i just want those who read this to peep game some do it 4 money and some do it outta lust or just 4 kicks but at the end of the day what have u really done u should ask yourself is it positive or negitive or did i just provoke ah pedifile to harm another child murder or rape or torture a child who are our future well thanks alot numb nuts cause i hope u get the full package deal when u get sentenced im talk'in about the inmates who dont play that shit when it comes to a child of god just be ready to get what u deserve for ur works on a diffrent pay scale u should be scared
Wow, first off, I agree with you, however some of your facts were off.
The epilepsy attack was by a group called 420Chan, not 4chan. Now second-off. I know many people who use 4chan and I can vouce for their honour, because I know they would not participate in this. Half of them don't even know what scripting is. And I have seen several cases, where the people of 4chan have helped, rather than this portrayal of them you have posted. One such detail has been mentioned here, with "Dusty".
Please keep your bias to yourself unless you know all of the facts, which this article clearly shows you do not. I don't condone them either, but that is no reason to write such a spiteful article against a group, that may not even have been behind the attack on youtube.
Wow, the BBC had one person who came forward, and said he waas part of a 4chan raid. Because when you're caught, the first thing you are going to say is "It was this group, and I'm not going to just say another common online group similar to mine"
No that would never happen.
Now that I've said this, I feel better. Your article, while poorly constructed, and overly biased, does point out my belief, in that this is wrong.
The epilepsy attack is insane. I would have never fathomed that a group of computer hackers could actually cause brain damage or death by seizure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>We do eet for teh lulz && lulz is wat make teh world go round>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
4chan does not 4give, does not 4get, does eet 4 teh lulz...
OP got troll'd
I'm 12 years old & what is this?
You sir are an idiot. Script Kiddies The chans are about being anonymous I personally go to 888chan and trust me we are no script kiddies. Can you find exploits in australian governments sites to take over the whole site? Well, Trust me 4chan has The chans work together They are one they are all We are against internet censorship and trolling and pissing off give us Lulz. We are pissed at this copyright thing on youtube so we counter it by pissing people off
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Im 12, what is this?
Lulz.
Soon there will be a large group of people in Guy Fawkes masks and trenchcoats swarming upon the writer of this blog's home.
We do not forgive, We do not forget.
We are Legion.
Falos - Your internet? U invented it? You bought it? Earned the right somehow to lay claim to it being yours?
Wow you must be the richest guy in the world, u own the internet, wow.
The epilepsy attack story made me laugh SOOOOOOOOO HARD!! XD
Note the difference between 4chan and /b/. And yes, these articles are why they continue to do things like this. They are probably laughing at you and saying that you were trolled. Good job feeding them.